I’m sure this has been discussed already, but it’s important to remember and stay focus on facts.
“Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.”
If you have conversations with your employer, co worker, church, school, friends etc remind them of this.
If they want to discredit VAERS reporting, then ask them why aren’t charges being brought to thousands of people. Why would thousands of people risk going to prison? There’s no logical reason to lie about this. The normies won’t have an answer.
The data to prove you’re point is often not hidden or found on websites the mainstream folks have never heard of. Show them facts. Show them evidence. Ask them questions.
Don’t comply with these ridiculous vaccine passports and requirements at work. I will likely be fired in the next two months or be forced to find a new job, but I’m not going down without defending my rights. The next shitty job will likely try the same exact shit.
We’re at a critical point in human rights history. Fight back with facts.
It is a one-way thing. You don't go to prison for not filling out a VAERS report, even if the patient dies within hours of getting the jab.
You only go to prison if you fill out a VAERS report and report an event that is false.
So if you want to play it safe, just never send any VAERS reports no matter what happens to your patients.
I asked that question of a retired doctor friend. He said that VAERS is a voluntary reporting system AND that many doctors don't even know about it.
Edit... so it's bound to underreport data.
And the commies are at the point, and they have been there for a long time, where any law in America (or anywhere for that matter) doesn't pertain to them. We are seriously losing this country from under our noses.
I agree it is insane. I added a link to an article regarding the swine flu in the 70s and one can see the similarities compared to the covid pandemic and the stark contrast in the attitude of the media then.
https://www.history.com/news/swine-flu-rush-vaccine-election-year-1976
The easiest answer to this question is provided by VAERS itself: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
So a 98 year old with liver cancer dies a week after the vaccine? Reported to VAERS.
Chronic smoker dies of pneumonia a month after the shot? VAERS.
You get the shot and then the next day you have the sniffles? That’s a legitimate reason to submit to VAERS.
Basically, if the vaccine can’t immediately be ruled out and it was given recently, the death is reported to VAERS.
But wouldn’t at least some of the deaths be guaranteed to be from the vaccine anyway, even if it’s being flooded with deaths that probably aren’t from the vaccine?
Well, no. Again, from VAERS:
So VAERS accepts literally all reports without verification, and requires all deaths and illnesses that pop up soon after the vaccine to be reported by practitioners.
How is that useful?
For you, it’s not. At all. But for researchers, it allows them to see what needs to be verified, and to focus on on localized spikes in the data to investigate specific batches.
This data is available to you, but it’s not curated for your use. It is impossible to tell how many deaths, if any, were caused by the vaccine using VAERS data.
The vaccine could literally be 100% saline and still show exactly the same data we’re looking at now. Nothing is verified and a lot of garbage data gets reported because it’s required to be. Because this data isn’t designed to see whether the vaccine is killing people. It’s designed to identify spikes where bad batches of the vaccine might be or to indicate trends over time.
I would highly recommend reading the VAERS guide to understanding its data. It’s all there.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
What I find fascinating is the CDC’s reaction to the swine flu vaccine in 1976 vs. now. In 1976, with few initial side effects (look at this : https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-1007_article) they decided to pull it from market. They even mentioned anecdotal reports. Those numbers were only a few dozen. Granted, the numbers initially vaxxed weren’t what we have now.
Now, with VAERS we have over 500,000 and counting negative reports. Why the different approach?
If I recall, Mike Wallace said that 46 million had been vaccinated when the vaxx was pulled.
What I find fascinating is the CDC’s reaction to the swine flu vaccine in 1976 vs. now. In 1976, with few initial side effects (look at this : https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-1007_article) they decided to pull it from market. They even mentioned anecdotal reports. Those numbers were only a few dozen. Granted, the numbers initially vaxxed weren’t what we have now.
Now, with VAERS we have over 500,000 and counting negative reports. Why the different approach?
Regardless, the mainstream is dismissing this information rather than saying “hey, let’s figure what’s going on here before we mandate this at the workplaces and push for passports”
Twitter folks are relating VAERS to Wikipedia. Last time I checked there’s no prison sentence or risk for falsifying information on Wikipedia.
Point of OP was that a lot of this information is ignored or “debunked” by fact checks (Reuters).
The info may not be curated for public use, it it shouldn’t be publicly dismissed by MSM.
What MSM references to VAERS data are you referring to? I don’t watch much.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-12000-idUSL1N2P21DB
I don’t think saying, “you can’t use this data to prove the vaccine is killing people” is the same thing as disseminating the info. In fact, it’s the opposite.
Bringing it up to fact check it wouldn’t be necessary if people weren’t misinterpreting what VAERS is supposed to be by reading the guide that VAERS has on its own page. Not sure how the MSM is to blame for this particular issue.
Also, at the gym at the moment… but There’s a lot floating on social media that dismisses VAERS. Which is just wrong. Same as it would be to claim everything on VAERS is 100% accurate.
Thanks for sharing your info!
VAERS shouldn’t be dismissed, but anyone who claims that you can learn literally anything about potential vaccine deaths from it is indeed incorrect. The data is valid, but not for drawing that particular conclusion.
I personally kind of hate surveys, and that’s all VAERS actually is. Just a fancy survey. Useful for certain questions, but not for proving even a single vaccine side-effect.
I agree.
But I think the point I am making is being missed. There are thousands of claims being made through VAERS. Assuming these are legit concerns, and people aren’t breaking the law, wouldn’t it make sense for the government and employers to pause the massive push and bullying of the vaccines and allow some time to investigate these claims? Even given your scenarios above (98 year olds, smokers, etc) I find it irresponsible to continue pushing these vaccines on the public without knowing a lot about them.
The CEO of my company proclaimed these vaccines to be the “safest vaccines every invented”. We are a fortune 25 healthcare company with very close connections to the government via Medicaid, Medicare, truncate etc.
This is happening everywhere and concerns of the vaccine are being ignored.I’m not arguing that VAERS should be the proof that there is something wrong, rather that there is enough reports coming through that I think the pressure to get the vaccine is unethical.
It wouldn’t make sense to pause based on that, and I’ll tell you why.
Let’s say I injected a 100% safe placebo into tens of millions of people, and then set up a system with the same situation as VAERS:
Then you know what would happen? There would be thousands of reports. Even if people KNEW they were given a safe placebo, there would still be thousands of reports in the system. Lots of illness. Lots of death.
Why?
Because I gave my placebo to tens of millions of people. Some people died randomly. Some people got sick randomly. Because out of tens of millions of people, some people will be sick and dead every single day.
All of them could end up in my VAERS, and by the rules of my system, SHOULD be in my report.
Even though we know for a fact that the placebo I gave them was 100% safe. Even though I know not a single report has anything to do with my placebo.
If there WEREN’T thousands of reports of my perfectly safe placebo possibly causing side effects, it means my system is broken, because people are supposed to be reporting EVERYTHING that happens after the placebo.
Is this making sense?
Literally every single report in the real VAERS system could have absolutely nothing, and I mean NOTHING, to do with the vaccine. Every vaccine out there could be 100% safe.
And VAERS would still be showing thousands and thousands of reports. Because of the three items I listed above.
There will never, ever be anywhere close to zero reports in a system like that. Because it isn’t taking verified data. It’s collecting data TO BE VERIFIED.
Your argument is akin to demanding that AR-15’s be immediately banned because a survey we took showed that some people think they’re scary and kill millions of people every year. The fact there is a report that people are claiming this doesn’t mean that it’s verified.
Unfortunately, the stuff that HAS been verified is the stuff you guys think is disinformation. The stuff released by the CDC is the result of people processing data from VAERS and other sources and determining that the vaccines appear to be dangerous only to a vanishingly small part of the population.
I get that people around here distrust that, and that’s your right. But if you’re distrusting it based on VAERS numbers, then you’re basing it on a misunderstanding of what VAERS actually is and how that data is used.
Your company, and most others, are going off the data that has been processed by people who know how to do so. You can argue that everyone should interpret the raw data and decide for themselves, but the VAERS data is not the raw data that is going to help you do that.
Yes, Everything you are saying makes sense.
But my employer isn’t making me purchase the scary AR15. My elected leaders aren’t pressuring everyone to buy and use one. I’m allowed to make that decision. That’s the difference to me.