It doesn't matter if it is effective or not. People are allowed to choose and make choices. If they make a choice for a procedure, they should expect to get it, not some other procedure or medicine they had no idea they were going to receive, in a bait and switch. Especially by deception like in this case. It is the definition of criminal in regards to medical procedures.
It's not a question of effectiveness, it's a question of safety. People's lives are on the line.
The "choice" that people make with regard to the vaccine is the direct result of the kind of deception you are taking a moral stand against. People are being brainwashed with propaganda and fear tactics into requesting a mystery fluid.
While I generally agree with you, the deception is really the thing that bothers me. We cannot lose trust in our fellow humans, we are supposed to come together, events like these do nothing towards this goal.
SO if you go to the doctors to have your gallbladder out and the doctor also plans on taking your kidney out with it but a nurse steps in and declares you sick and the whole operation gets cancelled, would you be upset?
You say these people agree to have this shot, but did they? They agreed to have a covid vaccine, but if the shot is something else besides a vaccine against covid, then are they really agreeing to that? If they agree to a shot that has poison in it without knowing it is poison and a nurse stops that, did she help or did you get denied a covid vaccine shot?
If they canceled the operation and told me why, then I would not be upset. If they didn't give me info as to why, then sure I would.
Informed consent is not really what I am arguing about. Obviously the shot is dangerous in the short and long term, and if people were informed properly they probably wouldn't get it. But that doesn't mean someone else should be able to make unilateral decisions about your health without informing you.
Yeah, I think I see where you're coming from. The idea of using deception to fight deception rubs me the wrong way - it's the slipperiest of slopes.
In this particular instance, though, people specifically ask to get injected with an unknown solution. That's what this nurse gave them.
There's a reason vaccines are supposed to undergo years of study and observation before hitting the market. This "vaccine" is about as unethical as it gets and we have no idea what it's going to do to people.
Doctors should lose their license over administering this stuff. Maybe if the side of good prevails, they will.
I'm curious, what would you have done in this nurse's position? Quitting the job is an option, but it doesn't save any lives.
I liked another user's idea of giving information to the patient prior to giving the shot. This is what is supposed to happen anyways, informed consent. Then when the patient has all information available, they can make an informed decision.
It doesn't matter if it is effective or not. People are allowed to choose and make choices. If they make a choice for a procedure, they should expect to get it, not some other procedure or medicine they had no idea they were going to receive, in a bait and switch. Especially by deception like in this case. It is the definition of criminal in regards to medical procedures.
It's not a question of effectiveness, it's a question of safety. People's lives are on the line.
The "choice" that people make with regard to the vaccine is the direct result of the kind of deception you are taking a moral stand against. People are being brainwashed with propaganda and fear tactics into requesting a mystery fluid.
Some of them, thank god, got saline.
While I generally agree with you, the deception is really the thing that bothers me. We cannot lose trust in our fellow humans, we are supposed to come together, events like these do nothing towards this goal.
SO if you go to the doctors to have your gallbladder out and the doctor also plans on taking your kidney out with it but a nurse steps in and declares you sick and the whole operation gets cancelled, would you be upset?
You say these people agree to have this shot, but did they? They agreed to have a covid vaccine, but if the shot is something else besides a vaccine against covid, then are they really agreeing to that? If they agree to a shot that has poison in it without knowing it is poison and a nurse stops that, did she help or did you get denied a covid vaccine shot?
If they canceled the operation and told me why, then I would not be upset. If they didn't give me info as to why, then sure I would.
Informed consent is not really what I am arguing about. Obviously the shot is dangerous in the short and long term, and if people were informed properly they probably wouldn't get it. But that doesn't mean someone else should be able to make unilateral decisions about your health without informing you.
Yeah, I think I see where you're coming from. The idea of using deception to fight deception rubs me the wrong way - it's the slipperiest of slopes.
In this particular instance, though, people specifically ask to get injected with an unknown solution. That's what this nurse gave them.
There's a reason vaccines are supposed to undergo years of study and observation before hitting the market. This "vaccine" is about as unethical as it gets and we have no idea what it's going to do to people.
Doctors should lose their license over administering this stuff. Maybe if the side of good prevails, they will.
I'm curious, what would you have done in this nurse's position? Quitting the job is an option, but it doesn't save any lives.
I liked another user's idea of giving information to the patient prior to giving the shot. This is what is supposed to happen anyways, informed consent. Then when the patient has all information available, they can make an informed decision.
I don’t care how much I’m lied to, as long as she saves my life.
While I see your point, I think when the patients find out what happened, this event will push them away from our side not bring them closer.
We are supposed to be fighting to bring people over.
We are suppose to be saving lives.
Such sophistication.... you must be fun at parties....