Your friend belongs to the covid cultists now, and brainwashing is very difficult to undo...cut him loose, and find like minded people to weather the storm with...
Sounds to me like you have enough going on in your life that needs attention. I'd focus on that. Maybe later he'll wake up and then want your input, but for now he's a lost cause and his convoluted reasoning is all the evidence you need for understanding that.
We have been in a Time of Choosing. People we love may not see things the way we do. They have been conditioned and brainwashed for years. They can’t go against the mainstream—it’s not in their ability to ever do so since they are weak and afraid to break rank. Also, many of them do not have the access to groups like ours. I have a lot of friends who think the same way your friend does and I have made a mental note—I will not trust them when the SHTF. They will be the first to turn on you. This vacks issue is revealing that.
That’s the thing about him. He literally doesn’t have access to the same info I’m getting. He’s stuck in the loop. I thought I could expose him to articles and opinions from the outside and it could help him think differently. But it’s just too deep for him. He’s a lot older than me, maybe it’s actually too late for him. I have more urgent matters in my life so I can only wish him well. He got his vaccine and I just basically told him that hopefully he will get the privilege to enjoy a return to “normalcy” as a reward for his compliance. But people like me will be segregated and disenfranchised of basic rights. Maybe he can justify it but once they come for him and his family too, it may be harder to feel good about it.
I am recently coming into my Christian faith and your story reminds me of a word I’ve heard frequently at church. Discernment is spoken about throughout the Bible and I don’t have any scripture but I know God wants us to be keen.
Your friend has bought in to the moral superiority of the vaccine, and its value for the greater good. If the vax was effective and risk-free, that might be a logical position. The fact is, your friend likely thinks the vax is both these things (brainwashed). You know that the vax is neither effective nor risk-free. I have learned that once people have taken the vax under assumed effectiveness and safety, mere facts will not change their mind. To do so, they would need to face up to the fact that they are not safe (and not morally superior). I have multiple friends with many advanced degrees who are convinced they will be attending my funeral, and that I am the deluded one. They are scared to be in my unvaxxed presence (if the vax worked, shouldn't they be safe regardless of my vax status?). I have decided to not push it. We've been friends for 30+ years. When all this resolves, I am hopeful we'll be friends again. But I can't change their minds.
Sigh. I’m in the same position. I have friends better educated than me swearing that it’s very safe, they researched it and it’s definitely the right choice, etc. I don’t know what to say. I can admit when I’m wrong. My husband tried to tell me for many years the flu shot is not safe and effective. I was too naive and “trusted the science” just like I was supposed to. All by design. Now I see how right he was. He’s always been awake, but it’s a little complicated in his case because he also follows the Covid hysteria. It’s part of the scarring Taiwanese endured from SARS, and he can’t get past it. I could snap out of it and I’m still trying to get him out. Making progress, a lot better than I’m doing with this “friend” haha.
Yeah I totally agree. He’s still stuck on the false dichotomy of political parties. He can’t seem to understand why I am disagreeing with decisions by so-called conservatives haha.
Your friend belongs to the covid cultists now, and brainwashing is very difficult to undo...cut him loose, and find like minded people to weather the storm with...
Thanks for your counsel. I’m moving on...
Sounds to me like you have enough going on in your life that needs attention. I'd focus on that. Maybe later he'll wake up and then want your input, but for now he's a lost cause and his convoluted reasoning is all the evidence you need for understanding that.
I seriously do. Thanks for your input.
We have been in a Time of Choosing. People we love may not see things the way we do. They have been conditioned and brainwashed for years. They can’t go against the mainstream—it’s not in their ability to ever do so since they are weak and afraid to break rank. Also, many of them do not have the access to groups like ours. I have a lot of friends who think the same way your friend does and I have made a mental note—I will not trust them when the SHTF. They will be the first to turn on you. This vacks issue is revealing that.
That’s the thing about him. He literally doesn’t have access to the same info I’m getting. He’s stuck in the loop. I thought I could expose him to articles and opinions from the outside and it could help him think differently. But it’s just too deep for him. He’s a lot older than me, maybe it’s actually too late for him. I have more urgent matters in my life so I can only wish him well. He got his vaccine and I just basically told him that hopefully he will get the privilege to enjoy a return to “normalcy” as a reward for his compliance. But people like me will be segregated and disenfranchised of basic rights. Maybe he can justify it but once they come for him and his family too, it may be harder to feel good about it.
I am recently coming into my Christian faith and your story reminds me of a word I’ve heard frequently at church. Discernment is spoken about throughout the Bible and I don’t have any scripture but I know God wants us to be keen.
Definitely. You can’t blindly follow the narrative. God wants us to have total faith in him but we must be cautious who we trust among men.
Your friend has bought in to the moral superiority of the vaccine, and its value for the greater good. If the vax was effective and risk-free, that might be a logical position. The fact is, your friend likely thinks the vax is both these things (brainwashed). You know that the vax is neither effective nor risk-free. I have learned that once people have taken the vax under assumed effectiveness and safety, mere facts will not change their mind. To do so, they would need to face up to the fact that they are not safe (and not morally superior). I have multiple friends with many advanced degrees who are convinced they will be attending my funeral, and that I am the deluded one. They are scared to be in my unvaxxed presence (if the vax worked, shouldn't they be safe regardless of my vax status?). I have decided to not push it. We've been friends for 30+ years. When all this resolves, I am hopeful we'll be friends again. But I can't change their minds.
Sigh. I’m in the same position. I have friends better educated than me swearing that it’s very safe, they researched it and it’s definitely the right choice, etc. I don’t know what to say. I can admit when I’m wrong. My husband tried to tell me for many years the flu shot is not safe and effective. I was too naive and “trusted the science” just like I was supposed to. All by design. Now I see how right he was. He’s always been awake, but it’s a little complicated in his case because he also follows the Covid hysteria. It’s part of the scarring Taiwanese endured from SARS, and he can’t get past it. I could snap out of it and I’m still trying to get him out. Making progress, a lot better than I’m doing with this “friend” haha.
Yeah I totally agree. He’s still stuck on the false dichotomy of political parties. He can’t seem to understand why I am disagreeing with decisions by so-called conservatives haha.
Thanks for your support. I’m glad I’m not nuts.
Thanks for your encouragement. I’m standing strong with patriots.