Therefore you're judging someone based on things they have no control over.
Are you saying we have no control over our beliefs? If we don’t, who does? Are you not therefore judging me on the beliefs I can’t control?
I find it dangerously laughable you accuse God of not understanding how beliefs work. Careful fren. God’s been really into lightening lately. (See also George floyd memorial and recent democrat party)
You question the Op’s content and then perpetuate the dynamic presented therein. You’ve highlighted an ingrained modern take on God that is due to die a hearty public execution.
Just because you don’t approve of Biblical morals doesn’t mean we will change our directives or consider them unloving due to your ignorant mischaracterizations of our beliefs. You’re welcome to believe whatever you want, though God called that foolish. If you would like to be less ignorant and read the Bible we welcome you to do so. Though without turning to God for understanding His realities will still appear ridiculously illogical to you. The culmination of mans knowledge is foolishness compared to the quantum understanding of God, the maker of the universe. You don’t have to like it, for it to be true.
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”
Luke 6:37-38 ESV
“But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”
Revelation 21:27 ESV
Life is a series of judgement calls. To deny all ability to make any judgements one must become a passive standardless moral free marshmallow. God is not into that, we have to be able to distinguish between what is of God and what is not. The key is who’s standards your judging on. ‘Lest we be judged’
Let us judge in the way we wish to be judged, in the same way we are all continually judged. By Gods standards, by His plumb line. That we may hold each other accountable to the great standards of our divine Father and Master. Matthew7 This is an acceptable thing to do as God says
“Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.”
Galatians 6:1 NLT
“But God’s truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and “All who belong to the Lord must turn away from evil.”
2 Timothy 2:19 NLT
“And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,”
2 Timothy 2:24-25 NIV
“Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.”
2 Timothy 2:26 NLT
“Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.”
Philippians 2:3-4 NLT
“And the Lord said to me, “Amos, what do you see?” And I said, “A plumb line.” Then the Lord said: “Behold, I am setting a plumb line In the midst of My people Israel; I will not pass by them anymore.”
Amos 7:8 NKJV
“But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.” 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 NLT
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT
“Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.” Luke 17:3 KJV
“Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work.” 2 John 1:11
“For we are each responsible for our own conduct.” Galatians 6:5 NLT
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28 NKJV
“No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.” Hebrews 12:11
Regarding beliefs... Lotto of birth influences what we believe in. What would have happened if you were born pre Jesus? What about if you were born in Iran 20 years ago? Geography obviously plays a role, what your family believes plays a role, how long you live plays a role... You have to admit, that if belief is the reward, there's some that encounter far more obstacles to attain that belief than others. It's this unequally attainable object.
If God were truly just, wouldn't we all be running the same race with the same rules?
Clearly, belief isn't a product of will alone. It's a product of many things and those other things we have no control over.
Once you understand that beliefs are NOT the product of will alone, your sweater of faith will begin to unravel. You'll find many of your beliefs are shaped by the actions of others and that what you want to believe many times has to be swapped out with what you can believe. This simple fact illustrates the unjust nature of rewarding anyone based on a particular belief.
“Seek the Lord while you can find him. Call on him now while he is near. Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously. “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.”
Isaiah 55:6-9 NLT
“For God does not show favoritism.” Romans 2:11 NLT
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
“No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.”
1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.”
I Peter 5:8-11 NKJV
“The ear that listens to life-giving reproof will dwell among the wise. Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence. The fear of the Lord is instruction in wisdom, and humility comes before honor.”
Proverbs 15:31-33 ESV
I'm not calling anyone a fool for their beliefs like your religious document does.
And LOL at threatening me with a lightening strike for being a skeptic... While he stands or sits silently as children are trafficked and raped to death daily. Describes him to a T.
But don't question him! He'll fry your ass! LOL some priorities... Not reading the rest of your bullshit, your initial thoughts don't warrant it.
What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter. What sorrow for those who are wise in their own eyes and think themselves so clever.” Isaiah 5:20-21 NLT
“Don’t excuse yourself by saying, “Look, we didn’t know.” For God understands all hearts, and he sees you. He who guards your soul knows you knew. He will repay all people as their actions deserve.”
Proverbs 24:12
“The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 ESV
“A lazy person is as bad as someone who destroys things.”
Proverbs 18:9 NLT
“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.”
Hebrews 4:12-13 NKJV
“So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.”
Isaiah 55:11 NKJV
I see people working; not your deity... If you then are going to say it's him influencing people to behave... Well, where does that leave us with the concept of free will?
You however, seem to take the actions of people and attribute it to God. Do you then attribute the bad things to God as well? Or, only the things you see as good?
Are you saying we have no control over our beliefs? If we don’t, who does? Are you not therefore judging me on the beliefs I can’t control?
I find it dangerously laughable you accuse God of not understanding how beliefs work. Careful fren. God’s been really into lightening lately. (See also George floyd memorial and recent democrat party)
You question the Op’s content and then perpetuate the dynamic presented therein. You’ve highlighted an ingrained modern take on God that is due to die a hearty public execution.
Just because you don’t approve of Biblical morals doesn’t mean we will change our directives or consider them unloving due to your ignorant mischaracterizations of our beliefs. You’re welcome to believe whatever you want, though God called that foolish. If you would like to be less ignorant and read the Bible we welcome you to do so. Though without turning to God for understanding His realities will still appear ridiculously illogical to you. The culmination of mans knowledge is foolishness compared to the quantum understanding of God, the maker of the universe. You don’t have to like it, for it to be true.
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6:37-38 ESV
“But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Revelation 21:27 ESV
Life is a series of judgement calls. To deny all ability to make any judgements one must become a passive standardless moral free marshmallow. God is not into that, we have to be able to distinguish between what is of God and what is not. The key is who’s standards your judging on. ‘Lest we be judged’ Let us judge in the way we wish to be judged, in the same way we are all continually judged. By Gods standards, by His plumb line. That we may hold each other accountable to the great standards of our divine Father and Master. Matthew7 This is an acceptable thing to do as God says
“Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.” Galatians 6:1 NLT
“But God’s truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and “All who belong to the Lord must turn away from evil.” 2 Timothy 2:19 NLT
“And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,” 2 Timothy 2:24-25 NIV
“Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.” 2 Timothy 2:26 NLT
“Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.” Philippians 2:3-4 NLT
“And the Lord said to me, “Amos, what do you see?” And I said, “A plumb line.” Then the Lord said: “Behold, I am setting a plumb line In the midst of My people Israel; I will not pass by them anymore.” Amos 7:8 NKJV
“But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.” 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 NLT
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT
“Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.” Luke 17:3 KJV
“Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work.” 2 John 1:11
“For we are each responsible for our own conduct.” Galatians 6:5 NLT
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28 NKJV
“No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.” Hebrews 12:11
Regarding beliefs... Lotto of birth influences what we believe in. What would have happened if you were born pre Jesus? What about if you were born in Iran 20 years ago? Geography obviously plays a role, what your family believes plays a role, how long you live plays a role... You have to admit, that if belief is the reward, there's some that encounter far more obstacles to attain that belief than others. It's this unequally attainable object.
If God were truly just, wouldn't we all be running the same race with the same rules?
Clearly, belief isn't a product of will alone. It's a product of many things and those other things we have no control over.
Once you understand that beliefs are NOT the product of will alone, your sweater of faith will begin to unravel. You'll find many of your beliefs are shaped by the actions of others and that what you want to believe many times has to be swapped out with what you can believe. This simple fact illustrates the unjust nature of rewarding anyone based on a particular belief.
“Seek the Lord while you can find him. Call on him now while he is near. Let the wicked change their ways and banish the very thought of doing wrong. Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them. Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously. “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:6-9 NLT
“For God does not show favoritism.” Romans 2:11 NLT
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
“No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” 1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” I Peter 5:8-11 NKJV
“The ear that listens to life-giving reproof will dwell among the wise. Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence. The fear of the Lord is instruction in wisdom, and humility comes before honor.” Proverbs 15:31-33 ESV
LOL ever heard of the Catholic Church?
LOL!!!!
I'm not calling anyone a fool for their beliefs like your religious document does.
And LOL at threatening me with a lightening strike for being a skeptic... While he stands or sits silently as children are trafficked and raped to death daily. Describes him to a T.
But don't question him! He'll fry your ass! LOL some priorities... Not reading the rest of your bullshit, your initial thoughts don't warrant it.
Considering a heartfelt warning a threat, eh?
What sorrow for those who say that evil is good and good is evil, that dark is light and light is dark, that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter. What sorrow for those who are wise in their own eyes and think themselves so clever.” Isaiah 5:20-21 NLT
“Don’t excuse yourself by saying, “Look, we didn’t know.” For God understands all hearts, and he sees you. He who guards your soul knows you knew. He will repay all people as their actions deserve.” Proverbs 24:12
“The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9 ESV
“A lazy person is as bad as someone who destroys things.” Proverbs 18:9 NLT
Pro Tip: Those of us that don't subscribe to your ideology also don't consider the book it comes from credible.
“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.” Hebrews 4:12-13 NKJV
“So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.” Isaiah 55:11 NKJV
I see people working; not your deity... If you then are going to say it's him influencing people to behave... Well, where does that leave us with the concept of free will?
You however, seem to take the actions of people and attribute it to God. Do you then attribute the bad things to God as well? Or, only the things you see as good?