My God, He calls them like they are. Love doesn’t hide reality just because it’s unpleasant. Without Christ we are fools.
“If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.”
James 1:5-8
The living word of God contains knowledge for those seeking. “🎶🎤 Facts don’t care about your feelings” and humans modern definition of love doesn't effect God or the realities of how he perfectly loves us with no favoritism. “For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:11
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”
2 Corinthians 5:17-21 ESV
“It is safer to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than to confront a fool caught in foolishness.”
Proverbs 17:12
“A truly wise person uses few words; a person with understanding is even-tempered. Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.”
Proverbs 17:27-28
“Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions.”
Proverbs 18:2
“Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish.”
Proverbs 18:13
“Don’t waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.”
Proverbs 23:9
Gratitude, your encouraging words are balm to my soul. God is so good to give us peace and understanding through His word. The more we understand His truths the less they can use our love and zeal for God against us. “Great peace have they which love thy law: And nothing shall offend them.” Psalm 119:165 KJV
Instead think of it as a blessed opportunity
“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.”
Matthew 5:11-12 NLT
For we know and can take encouragement in these truths of God:
“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.”
Hebrews 4:12-13 NKJV
“So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.”
Isaiah 55:11 NKJV
“Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?”
Jeremiah 23:29 ESV
Isaiah 54: 17. No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
Least they trample them and attach you. Shall the recipient prove themselves to be a pig or potential?
Proverbs 25: 12b “an ornament of fine gold is a wise rebuker to an obedient ear.”
Classic warming verse. Important to consider when deciding to engage or not: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
Matthew 7:6 KJV
Should we not in love, first attempt reconciliation testing the waters, since God would see all repent. He has more joy in the lost one sheep returning than the 99 that stayed in the flock. May we bring joy to God in assisting the returning of all willing sheep.
“The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 ESV
God grant us the ability to love like him and field a trampling and rending willingly for His sake. As Christ did for us.
“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
Hebrews 12:1-2 ESV
“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.”
Matthew 5:11-12 NLT
“Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,”
2 Timothy 3:12 ESV
It's arrogant and rude to call anyone a fool because they believe something other than you do. It's also a gross misunderstanding of how beliefs work. Beliefs are not the product of desire alone.. Circumstance and experience influence beliefs... Those things you don't have total control over... So our beliefs, are hardly a product of wil alone.. Therefore you're judging someone based on things they have no control over. This is another one of my many problems with the fundamentalist Christian religion and its central deity... He doesn't even know how belief works... And on top of that, judges people with eternal ramifications based on their beliefs.
“It's arrogant and rude to call anyone a fool because they believe something other than you do”
Are people not fools to take the vaccine? Because they are deceived by lies?
Are people not fools when they buy into the belief that are more sexes than man or woman?
Not all beliefs are equal or logical.
Some things are true and some things are not.
Some believe reality is ambiguous, but a rock is a rock.
God is real or He is not.
I have personally had God intervene in my life many times and I would be a fool to dismiss and not give credit to Him when He answered my call.
It is out of respect for God that Christians dislike others dishonoring God by saying it’s not true He is real.
For us is not offensive to state the fact God is real and others are unwise to not see it, in the same way one might state the fact the government is corrupt and others are unwise to not see that.
It’s not necessarily meant to be an attack.
And I only have goodwill towards you and those who don’t know God personally yet. We were all ignorant before we reconciled our relationship with God. It is not my intent to be arrogant in my beliefs, though I am confident and assured in them from a logical side as well. While we have different perspectives I hope you can sense my politeness towards you in how I have tried to construct my reply. I wish all of God’s blessings toward you.
Therefore you're judging someone based on things they have no control over.
Are you saying we have no control over our beliefs? If we don’t, who does? Are you not therefore judging me on the beliefs I can’t control?
I find it dangerously laughable you accuse God of not understanding how beliefs work. Careful fren. God’s been really into lightening lately. (See also George floyd memorial and recent democrat party)
You question the Op’s content and then perpetuate the dynamic presented therein. You’ve highlighted an ingrained modern take on God that is due to die a hearty public execution.
Just because you don’t approve of Biblical morals doesn’t mean we will change our directives or consider them unloving due to your ignorant mischaracterizations of our beliefs. You’re welcome to believe whatever you want, though God called that foolish. If you would like to be less ignorant and read the Bible we welcome you to do so. Though without turning to God for understanding His realities will still appear ridiculously illogical to you. The culmination of mans knowledge is foolishness compared to the quantum understanding of God, the maker of the universe. You don’t have to like it, for it to be true.
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”
Luke 6:37-38 ESV
“But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”
Revelation 21:27 ESV
Life is a series of judgement calls. To deny all ability to make any judgements one must become a passive standardless moral free marshmallow. God is not into that, we have to be able to distinguish between what is of God and what is not. The key is who’s standards your judging on. ‘Lest we be judged’
Let us judge in the way we wish to be judged, in the same way we are all continually judged. By Gods standards, by His plumb line. That we may hold each other accountable to the great standards of our divine Father and Master. Matthew7 This is an acceptable thing to do as God says
“Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.”
Galatians 6:1 NLT
“But God’s truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and “All who belong to the Lord must turn away from evil.”
2 Timothy 2:19 NLT
“And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,”
2 Timothy 2:24-25 NIV
“Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.”
2 Timothy 2:26 NLT
“Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.”
Philippians 2:3-4 NLT
“And the Lord said to me, “Amos, what do you see?” And I said, “A plumb line.” Then the Lord said: “Behold, I am setting a plumb line In the midst of My people Israel; I will not pass by them anymore.”
Amos 7:8 NKJV
“But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.” 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 NLT
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT
“Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.” Luke 17:3 KJV
“Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work.” 2 John 1:11
“For we are each responsible for our own conduct.” Galatians 6:5 NLT
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28 NKJV
“No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.” Hebrews 12:11
Hi, I'm sorry that you took my statement to heart. I've read all of your comments here. I was an atheist once with some of your exact concerns. What lead me to Christ was an interest in claims of Bible prophecy being fulfilled. When I learned that in Daniel that there was a prophecy that predicted the exact day that Jesus would make His arrival in Jerusalem, I was intrigued since the prophecy had been written hundreds of years earlier. When I examined it, I was amazed. A visitor to my college gave a presentation on the predictions about Jesus in the old testament followed by the fulfilment of those predictions. Jesus, the man, fulfilled them all to a T. The presenter showed the mathematical impossibility of any particular man fulfilling every one - It was astounding. And still I did not accept Christ for a few years until my sister witnessed to me. After I accepted Christ, my life changed. I witnessed supernatural changes in my behavior, attitude, and events in my life. I can't ever go back to not believing based on 27 miraculous and blessed years living as a Christian. Anyway, since I have been where you are - I'd ask you to do one thing - Truly examine yourself and ask why it hurts and angers you so much what Christians think as compared to what muslims or buddhist or vegans or whatever think.
I see existence. How we got here is too controversial, political and corrupt for me to have much interest in. For anyone to claim they know our origins in an environment like this is just wishful thinking. But they're free to see it that way it just doesn't amount to evidence to the rest of us.
Only a fool can look at something that is clearly designed and say there is no designer. I pity the fool.
“The Fool has said in his heart ‘there is no God’ “ ~Proverbs
"coincidence"
That's nice... To call someone a fool because they see the world differently than you do.
So loving! Where do I sign up?!!!
My God, He calls them like they are. Love doesn’t hide reality just because it’s unpleasant. Without Christ we are fools.
“If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.” James 1:5-8
The living word of God contains knowledge for those seeking. “🎶🎤 Facts don’t care about your feelings” and humans modern definition of love doesn't effect God or the realities of how he perfectly loves us with no favoritism. “For God does not show favoritism.” Romans 2:11
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 ESV
“It is safer to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than to confront a fool caught in foolishness.” Proverbs 17:12
“A truly wise person uses few words; a person with understanding is even-tempered. Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.” Proverbs 17:27-28
“Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions.” Proverbs 18:2
“Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish.” Proverbs 18:13
“Don’t waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.” Proverbs 23:9
Gratitude, your encouraging words are balm to my soul. God is so good to give us peace and understanding through His word. The more we understand His truths the less they can use our love and zeal for God against us. “Great peace have they which love thy law: And nothing shall offend them.” Psalm 119:165 KJV
Instead think of it as a blessed opportunity
“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.” Matthew 5:11-12 NLT
For we know and can take encouragement in these truths of God:
“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.” Hebrews 4:12-13 NKJV
“So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.” Isaiah 55:11 NKJV
“Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?” Jeremiah 23:29 ESV
Isaiah 54: 17. No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
@ u/Dee68 we have some pretty good people here.
+1 to u/LoobintheToobin
Don't cast your pearls before swine.
Least they trample them and attach you. Shall the recipient prove themselves to be a pig or potential?
Proverbs 25: 12b “an ornament of fine gold is a wise rebuker to an obedient ear.”
Classic warming verse. Important to consider when deciding to engage or not: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6 KJV
Should we not in love, first attempt reconciliation testing the waters, since God would see all repent. He has more joy in the lost one sheep returning than the 99 that stayed in the flock. May we bring joy to God in assisting the returning of all willing sheep. “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9 ESV
God grant us the ability to love like him and field a trampling and rending willingly for His sake. As Christ did for us.
“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.” Hebrews 12:1-2 ESV
“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.” Matthew 5:11-12 NLT
“Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,” 2 Timothy 3:12 ESV
PFAL?
? I’m not familiar with that acronym. Did I typo?
It's arrogant and rude to call anyone a fool because they believe something other than you do. It's also a gross misunderstanding of how beliefs work. Beliefs are not the product of desire alone.. Circumstance and experience influence beliefs... Those things you don't have total control over... So our beliefs, are hardly a product of wil alone.. Therefore you're judging someone based on things they have no control over. This is another one of my many problems with the fundamentalist Christian religion and its central deity... He doesn't even know how belief works... And on top of that, judges people with eternal ramifications based on their beliefs.
No thanks... I enjoy logic.
“It's arrogant and rude to call anyone a fool because they believe something other than you do”
Are people not fools to take the vaccine? Because they are deceived by lies?
Are people not fools when they buy into the belief that are more sexes than man or woman?
Not all beliefs are equal or logical.
Some things are true and some things are not.
Some believe reality is ambiguous, but a rock is a rock.
God is real or He is not.
I have personally had God intervene in my life many times and I would be a fool to dismiss and not give credit to Him when He answered my call.
It is out of respect for God that Christians dislike others dishonoring God by saying it’s not true He is real.
For us is not offensive to state the fact God is real and others are unwise to not see it, in the same way one might state the fact the government is corrupt and others are unwise to not see that.
It’s not necessarily meant to be an attack.
And I only have goodwill towards you and those who don’t know God personally yet. We were all ignorant before we reconciled our relationship with God. It is not my intent to be arrogant in my beliefs, though I am confident and assured in them from a logical side as well. While we have different perspectives I hope you can sense my politeness towards you in how I have tried to construct my reply. I wish all of God’s blessings toward you.
Are you saying we have no control over our beliefs? If we don’t, who does? Are you not therefore judging me on the beliefs I can’t control?
I find it dangerously laughable you accuse God of not understanding how beliefs work. Careful fren. God’s been really into lightening lately. (See also George floyd memorial and recent democrat party)
You question the Op’s content and then perpetuate the dynamic presented therein. You’ve highlighted an ingrained modern take on God that is due to die a hearty public execution.
Just because you don’t approve of Biblical morals doesn’t mean we will change our directives or consider them unloving due to your ignorant mischaracterizations of our beliefs. You’re welcome to believe whatever you want, though God called that foolish. If you would like to be less ignorant and read the Bible we welcome you to do so. Though without turning to God for understanding His realities will still appear ridiculously illogical to you. The culmination of mans knowledge is foolishness compared to the quantum understanding of God, the maker of the universe. You don’t have to like it, for it to be true.
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6:37-38 ESV
“But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Revelation 21:27 ESV
Life is a series of judgement calls. To deny all ability to make any judgements one must become a passive standardless moral free marshmallow. God is not into that, we have to be able to distinguish between what is of God and what is not. The key is who’s standards your judging on. ‘Lest we be judged’ Let us judge in the way we wish to be judged, in the same way we are all continually judged. By Gods standards, by His plumb line. That we may hold each other accountable to the great standards of our divine Father and Master. Matthew7 This is an acceptable thing to do as God says
“Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.” Galatians 6:1 NLT
“But God’s truth stands firm like a foundation stone with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and “All who belong to the Lord must turn away from evil.” 2 Timothy 2:19 NLT
“And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,” 2 Timothy 2:24-25 NIV
“Then they will come to their senses and escape from the devil’s trap. For they have been held captive by him to do whatever he wants.” 2 Timothy 2:26 NLT
“Don’t be selfish; don’t try to impress others. Be humble, thinking of others as better than yourselves. Don’t look out only for your own interests, but take an interest in others, too.” Philippians 2:3-4 NLT
“And the Lord said to me, “Amos, what do you see?” And I said, “A plumb line.” Then the Lord said: “Behold, I am setting a plumb line In the midst of My people Israel; I will not pass by them anymore.” Amos 7:8 NKJV
“But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.” 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 NLT
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4 NLT
“Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.” Luke 17:3 KJV
“Anyone who encourages such people becomes a partner in their evil work.” 2 John 1:11
“For we are each responsible for our own conduct.” Galatians 6:5 NLT
“And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28 NKJV
“No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.” Hebrews 12:11
Like I said. Your proble. Is with God, not us. It's arrogant to deny truth when God speaks it. Not to mention foolish.
"fool" =/= "i wish you were dead"
you gotta toughen up a bit....
It hasn't nothing to do with toughness and everything to do with hypocrisy of religifags.
Name a better worldview.
There it is! That pompous Christian arrogance we've all come to expect!
You're such a good human!!! Kudos!
Love has teeth buddy. And we aren't doormats for Jesus.
Hi, I'm sorry that you took my statement to heart. I've read all of your comments here. I was an atheist once with some of your exact concerns. What lead me to Christ was an interest in claims of Bible prophecy being fulfilled. When I learned that in Daniel that there was a prophecy that predicted the exact day that Jesus would make His arrival in Jerusalem, I was intrigued since the prophecy had been written hundreds of years earlier. When I examined it, I was amazed. A visitor to my college gave a presentation on the predictions about Jesus in the old testament followed by the fulfilment of those predictions. Jesus, the man, fulfilled them all to a T. The presenter showed the mathematical impossibility of any particular man fulfilling every one - It was astounding. And still I did not accept Christ for a few years until my sister witnessed to me. After I accepted Christ, my life changed. I witnessed supernatural changes in my behavior, attitude, and events in my life. I can't ever go back to not believing based on 27 miraculous and blessed years living as a Christian. Anyway, since I have been where you are - I'd ask you to do one thing - Truly examine yourself and ask why it hurts and angers you so much what Christians think as compared to what muslims or buddhist or vegans or whatever think.
I was a believer and now a non-believer. Words on paper aren't evidence of anything.
You dont see the creator? You see something different? Enjoy the downvotes.
I see existence. How we got here is too controversial, political and corrupt for me to have much interest in. For anyone to claim they know our origins in an environment like this is just wishful thinking. But they're free to see it that way it just doesn't amount to evidence to the rest of us.
I guess when the time is right it will be revealed.