it's so easy with you people, either it's Soros or it's the good guy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Putin is a dictator, an ex-KGB who was staging terrorist attacks against his own populace, who robbed his people, and continues to do so. Censorship in Russia is enormous. You go to jail for re-posting an anti-Putin or anti-church meme.
So if you like the guy then him annexing another country's territory is good?
Simple russians and ukrainians who lived in that territory (Donetsk and the area) died in this war for one reason - so Putin can annex Crimea. "bolshevik not bolshevik" lol as if the only bad people are the bolsheviks. Bad people wouldn't lie to you, pretend, cheat and steal to get what their want, right?
The all are the enemy. Everyone with power. A very rare people don't get corrupted by money and power.
I didn't say anything "good" about Putin except that he isn't Bolshevik.
Everything else you present are strawman arguments I never made.
But regarding Putin annexing Crimea, Crimeans wanted it so it's kind of moot isn't it? It isn't any more arbitrary than how Ukraine obtained Crimea in the first place (look it up).
I'm not of the opinion that I should even have an opinion of how some country on the other side of the world should deal with another country that is on the other side of the world. None of my business.
But I can make an accurate statement, that Putin isn't Bolshevik, as a neutral observer.
You know little to nothing of the situation, and I'm not sure I have the patience to school you.
Donetsk would have LOVED for Russia to step in to protect them, the same as they stepped in to protect Crimea.
They would have LOVED it.
Instead, a bulk majority of their infrastructure destroyed and tens of thousands of people were slaughtered at the hands of west Ukrainian LITERAL Nazis.
Some people throw the term Nazi around loosely, but I am not. They drove tanks with 88 painted on the side (Heil Hitler) and openly referenced themselves as Nazis.
They drove up to the edges of western Ukraine towns and fired white phosphorus over them to burn and destroy infrastructure.
The main thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to be left alone.
The second thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to have Russia protect them from Western Ukraine and Obama/Soros army.
Why wouldn't the Russian-speaking inhabitants of Donetsk want to join Russia, rather than remain with the Ukrainian-speaking west half who continued to pressure them into changing their language?
The East half voted in Viktor Yanukovych, knowing he was corrupt (we're talking about Ukraine, the most corrupt government on the planet. Getting a non-corrupt president wasn't on the table). They knew he was corrupt, but at least he wasn't forcing them to speak Ukrainian and not forbidding them to engage in the Russian economy.
All the factories in the east were producing products specced for the Russian economy. The west half wanted to shut that down and gear towards EU specced production, which would put most of the eastern pro-Russian citizens out of work.
The Donetsk and entire eastern half of the country wasn't fond of West Ukraine BEFORE the west started bombing their cities and destroying their infrastructure, let alone after.
How do I know these things? Because I read/translated forums frequented by eastern Ukrainians and they told me themselves in their own words what was going on.
Congratulations. You probably know 100x more about Donetsk and the Ukrainian situation than before you started reading.
Nobody in Crimea wanted anything to do with the leaders of the Ukraine coup.
But I think it would be hilarious if you want to try to convince me otherwise.
me as well as my husband are russians from Donetsk as well as our extended family and friends. Only 1 of our many aquantaces is for DNR. The rest are people who lost a lot in the war and many had to flee, because (surprise surprise) simple people don't want war. They don't care for resources that are again re-distributed between elites, who cares if their name is Soros or Pukin. I don't need to translate forums to know what's going on. Do you know what ватник means? What you are saying is straight up vatnik ura-propaganda. Angry american schooling russians on Donetsk, Ukraine, Crimea and Putin is a new level of clown world I never thought I'd live to see.
it's so easy with you people, either it's Soros or it's the good guy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Putin is a dictator, an ex-KGB who was staging terrorist attacks against his own populace, who robbed his people, and continues to do so. Censorship in Russia is enormous. You go to jail for re-posting an anti-Putin or anti-church meme. So if you like the guy then him annexing another country's territory is good? Simple russians and ukrainians who lived in that territory (Donetsk and the area) died in this war for one reason - so Putin can annex Crimea. "bolshevik not bolshevik" lol as if the only bad people are the bolsheviks. Bad people wouldn't lie to you, pretend, cheat and steal to get what their want, right? The all are the enemy. Everyone with power. A very rare people don't get corrupted by money and power.
I didn't say anything "good" about Putin except that he isn't Bolshevik.
Everything else you present are strawman arguments I never made.
But regarding Putin annexing Crimea, Crimeans wanted it so it's kind of moot isn't it? It isn't any more arbitrary than how Ukraine obtained Crimea in the first place (look it up).
I'm not of the opinion that I should even have an opinion of how some country on the other side of the world should deal with another country that is on the other side of the world. None of my business.
But I can make an accurate statement, that Putin isn't Bolshevik, as a neutral observer.
"crimeans wanted it"?? my god. How abot DNR? People there also "wanted it" (or maybe rather "asked for it")?
You know little to nothing of the situation, and I'm not sure I have the patience to school you.
Donetsk would have LOVED for Russia to step in to protect them, the same as they stepped in to protect Crimea.
They would have LOVED it.
Instead, a bulk majority of their infrastructure destroyed and tens of thousands of people were slaughtered at the hands of west Ukrainian LITERAL Nazis.
Some people throw the term Nazi around loosely, but I am not. They drove tanks with 88 painted on the side (Heil Hitler) and openly referenced themselves as Nazis.
They drove up to the edges of western Ukraine towns and fired white phosphorus over them to burn and destroy infrastructure.
The main thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to be left alone.
The second thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to have Russia protect them from Western Ukraine and Obama/Soros army.
Why wouldn't the Russian-speaking inhabitants of Donetsk want to join Russia, rather than remain with the Ukrainian-speaking west half who continued to pressure them into changing their language?
The East half voted in Viktor Yanukovych, knowing he was corrupt (we're talking about Ukraine, the most corrupt government on the planet. Getting a non-corrupt president wasn't on the table). They knew he was corrupt, but at least he wasn't forcing them to speak Ukrainian and not forbidding them to engage in the Russian economy.
All the factories in the east were producing products specced for the Russian economy. The west half wanted to shut that down and gear towards EU specced production, which would put most of the eastern pro-Russian citizens out of work.
The Donetsk and entire eastern half of the country wasn't fond of West Ukraine BEFORE the west started bombing their cities and destroying their infrastructure, let alone after.
How do I know these things? Because I read/translated forums frequented by eastern Ukrainians and they told me themselves in their own words what was going on.
Congratulations. You probably know 100x more about Donetsk and the Ukrainian situation than before you started reading.
Nobody in Crimea wanted anything to do with the leaders of the Ukraine coup.
But I think it would be hilarious if you want to try to convince me otherwise.
me as well as my husband are russians from Donetsk as well as our extended family and friends. Only 1 of our many aquantaces is for DNR. The rest are people who lost a lot in the war and many had to flee, because (surprise surprise) simple people don't want war. They don't care for resources that are again re-distributed between elites, who cares if their name is Soros or Pukin. I don't need to translate forums to know what's going on. Do you know what ватник means? What you are saying is straight up vatnik ura-propaganda. Angry american schooling russians on Donetsk, Ukraine, Crimea and Putin is a new level of clown world I never thought I'd live to see.