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Who here is an ex-liberal since Biden took office, or does anyone know an ex-Biden supporter as of late?
posted 4 years ago by AndrewJaqqson 4 years ago by AndrewJaqqson +19 / -0

Just curious, have you learned yet?

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– ARandomOgre 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Well, and I mean this respectfully, "progressive" to a Q person has a very different meaning than it does to anyone not that far right on the political spectrum.

Biden is not a communist. Not even Bernie Sanders is a communist. Sanders isn't even a socialist in the way that most people here seem to think of the word.

But those words are thrown around pretty freely here. Anyone who is left of Trump is considered a commie. I'm a commie. Biden's a commie. Hollywood is full of commies.

Biden is right of where a lot of the regular ole' liberals are right now. Movements like those of Bernie Sanders have been gaining traction for a reason. The party is shifting left, and people like Biden and Clinton are too centrist and too well-established in their current political kingdoms to want that to happen.

Really, it was Trump that saved the Democratic establishment. Nobody could have beaten Clinton except Trump, and Trump could have beaten nobody else in 2016 except Hillary Clinton. She was the person that terrified the right, and they had nobody who could match her, so Trump was thrown into the ring to fuck up the rulebook that she played by and was so unpredictable that someone like Clinton couldn't react properly.

If Trump hadn't come along, the Democrats would have kept plodding happily toward the left. We'd be working on developing a more socialized healthcare system, and education reform, and all that jazz back into the party platform.

Instead, we decided to go with Biden, because going from Trump to someone like Bernie Sanders would have caused hardcore whiplash, and most people who didn't like Trump just wanted to take a breather and recover from that craziness for a few years before trying to build back any liberal momentum.

Biden isn't going to rock the boat. Conservative politicians try to convince their voters that Biden is way more scary than they actually think he is. Biden isn't going to even consider the positions that the rank-and-file liberals have been ready to look at for decades now. He was elected to try to stabilize things after Trump, because he is the blandest, most boring, most centrist Democrat that we had available.

I'm happy he's there instead of Trump, but only because I would rather deal with 8 years of making no real progress on the liberal agenda and paying lip-service to Democratic positions from the 70's than I wanted to deal with another four years of Donald Trump in power.

Because unfortunately, as long as the two-party system exists, that's the choice I'm forced to make every election.

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– CherokeePede 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I can see why it would lool like anyone left of Trump is being considered a commie or socialist. But the real belief is that there really isnt a 2 party system. There really is an organized effort to remove all freedom for the elite to have total unopposed power. And the vast majority of people.in government on all sides are part of that organized effort.

I use.to think it was republicans. Im still convinced(call me crazy) that Al Gore beat Bush legitimately. All the hanging chad stuff was technicalities that made it impossible to prove. I watched the media bend over and lie to the world about it.

I felt the same about the wat in Iraq. There was zero evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction, but there again. The media did everything to shift the conversation from truth to "well, it really is a good idea". All the people in the Democrat party that I fully expected to stand against it all fell in line. Best idea they had ever heard and was a must do thing.

At that point I started doing a lot of historical research and tried.to find an answer as to why. Gave up on politics all together because.of it.

Then along comes Trump. I thought. No way he will win. Republicans just rolled him out causee they thought there was no one who could beat Hillary and no one wanted to spend their chips losing.

Not long after I started seeing hourly attempts to smear Trump. I thought it was really odd considering Bush was a war criminal and they all openly loved him. So I started paying attention again. Started looking into the alegations. Came up empty handed on all fronts. I started to look closer at what the media had been saying and realized it was all merritless. I was struck wondering what in the world was going on. Why is the media, social.media, everything going after Trump. If his policies were that bad, no one would pass them. If he even tried to get the US into a false war it would not get approved. I didnt see how he could be such a threat.

Then as time passed. I started to see the results of his policies. America was stronger, safer, we were getting peace deal after peace deal in the middle east. Something every administration and the media led us to belive would never be possible.

Then I started seeing Trump take on the heavy hitters like big pharma. Making life saving medicines affordable for Sr citizens and others by lowering Rx prices. Opened up the pipeline work to make the US an energy stronghold rather rhan bse consumer, amongst many other huge wins for the US.

Then I started noticing all the bad tbings people were saying about Trump ended up being lies. Racist...lie. Corrupt and sold out to Russia....lie. Using the oval office to enrich his family....lie. Sexual assult and lewd behavior....lie. Nothing bad that was said about the man was true. It was all a lie.

Then it all made sense. Trump was honest from the get go. He was going to return power to the people. He was going to get rid.of the corruption so the people would not be lied to. Or have a government that treats us like a slave labor force. Here only.to pay taxes and keep this economy of the elites that only benefits the elites.

He was the enemy of all the corruption. Democrat and Repuican. He was the only president to actually fight for America. That is why Dem and Rep alike banded together to get rid of Trump. They are almost all corrupt and no one could have come that close to stopping them until Trump came along.

So, Trump is the champion of the people. The support he gets accross the spectrum.is plenty proof of that in most peoples eyes. Even if we have seperate agendas and have differing opinions on how to better this nation. We must retain the constitution. Without it. There is nothing protecting We the People from complete tyrany. We must all work to keep America free. Or we wont even be free to argue our point of view in the future.

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– JSSS 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Well laid out CP!

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– IvanMectin 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I can agree with many things you say about Trump (being unfairly targeted by the media, etc) but he was caught on open mic saying he grabbed pussy, and he has clearly been somewhat 'liberal' in his marriages! And I don't think he has a religious bone in his body, which is hilarious considering some people think he's the second coming!

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