I’m in a war with a vax shaming Karen who thinks I am killing myself, my 15 year old boys, and the entire world by failing to get vaccinated. She doesn’t care that I’ve had covid and therefore carry natural antibodies. She screamed that I’m probably one of those people who will get covid and then turn to horse medicine to save myself and my boys.
So, I’m asking for your help to assemble a list of definitive sources that we can all use to battle this increasingly vicious attack on (1) unvaccinated people and (2) Ivermectin. With growing urgency, we need to all be ready to combat, with unimpeachable sources, the narrative that the stubborn and unvaccinated are the cause of all the variants, and that Ivermectin is dangerous.
Here’s what the MSM, CDC and FDA are saying about Ivermectin:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/26/health/ivermectin-covid-19-warning-injuries/index.html
Vax shamers point to this recent release by the CDC dissing ivermectin, but if you read the notice rather than the headline, it only says that some (undefined number) people are using the wrong dosage and/or using animal formulations; they are NOT saying it is unsafe in the proper dosage and form. They admit that there are some clinical studies underway. Still, folks are running with this to say it is dangerous. https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/pdf/CDC_HAN_449.pdf
The FDA recently tweeted, “You’re not a horse. You’re not a cow. Seriously y’all. Stop it.” https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839 and then they linked to their guidance that no one should use ivermectin for covid, but if you read the text after the headline, the text says ivermectin has been used safely for humans in proper dosages (as opposed to horse dosages, hello) for things like lice and parasites in humans … and that studies are underway for covid. But the headline misdirects by screaming that “you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent covid.” https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
With regard to covid, the MSM, CDC, NIH and FDA are all ignoring that India has nearly stopped Delta in its tracks by going to ivermectin – safely dosed, of course – for humans. Since moving to Ivermectin rather than vaccines, Delhi has eradicated 97% of new cases. https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html
This is a good summary of how the medical establishment, US government and MSM have tried to quash the efficacy of Ivermectin: https://www.yourobserver.com/article/the-battle-for-ivermectin
As for natural immunity, a new Israeli study which is currently undergoing peer review says people with natural immunity from having had covid are 13 times more protected from a breakthrough infection than someone with two Pfizer shots https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
WinsAnon!
I’m going to assume this Karen is someone close to the family or is one of the fam… otherwise this would never be worth your time, energy and effort.
Fren, rethink your strategy…
Logic and reason will not win or sway, you are dealing with the unreasonable, the emotional, the delusional…. This has put you on the defensive, the power upper-hand is not yours. Take a page out of Trump’s book… shock, misdirect, feign, then go nuclear.
You need to short circuit this Karen with a well placed attack - suggest you use their own playbook against them.
“Stop spreading misinformation, you’re killing people with your lies”
“Enough with the hate speech, you’re the reason minorities are not getting the help they need”
“If you’re not smart enough on the subject you shouldn’t be spreading lies and disinformation”
… any one of those will ratchet up her wrath, which will then prove what you said is true ;)
Goal is not to inform her, the goal is to short circuit and live rent free in her mind.
It does work.
I've completely ridiculed people into oblivion.
Act with conviction and controlled anger.
And after giving them the fucking facts, as they stare in horror, walk away and mutter "seriously, are you stupid?"
"I've completely ridiculed people into oblivion."
#STILLlaughingoutloud
I have been kind to her so far and still she won't relent. She says I'm killing myself by refusing the vaccine and my kids need me to live. I told her I have 13 times more immunity than she does because I'd had covid - largely uneventful, by the way, with just four days of exhaustion, a sore throat, headaches and temporary loss of smell and taste.
She then says, "but you are ignoring that you could have even more immunity if you also got the vaccine." I said "1300% better immunity than yours is good enough for me, thanks."
Then she said I'm risking that the boys will die, or have long haulers syndrome, which she admits is not a sure thing. I explained that it is not certain (1) that they will get covid, (2) that they will suffer from it, (3) that all the therapeutics will fail for them, and (4) that they will have any long term effects from it. But giving them the jab would enter them onto a risk of bad things voluntarily for something I feel they just don't need.
She is important to my kids, kind of their favorite aunt who spoils them regularly. She just took them to Hawaii a month ago and she takes them on trips once a year. She has no kids and my kids are her entire life.
I can't imagine the shock and horror if she ever found out you're on this board... even a top contributor! That will drive her over the edge of oblivion.
Unfortunately, no amount of logic or reasoning will get through to her. She is operating far below that baseline - fear driven, flight response syndrome.
The potential issue I see is she pressuring your kids to get the jab without your consent or knowledge although I thought your fam was all jabbed except you. This must be squashed, but the bastion is your boys... they must learn and be based, not to take the jab.
Tread well fren, a human mind in a state of delusion is easily manipulated and controlled - the fear is beyond real, it's ultra-reality.
Know this, she is using your kids as a way to sway you. With every wall you put up, she will eventually associate that with you 'not caring' for their well-being -- this is dangerous. So this vector needs to be redirected (this is key).
2 potential methods...
Redirect the fear feedback-loop, until she breaks (the way of nature's fury) -- vids, articles, anecdotal social media posts, images, etc. of vaccine withdrawal and side effects. Focus on women, especially bad are miscarriages etc. Show her the horrors and pain these women are going through... but your message is always "is this what you want for my kids?". Repeat, drip it. this is Psy Warfare.
Create a new 'conversation' around her well-being (the way of nurture's embrace) -- as you've been kind, ask her how she's doing. Say that you're worried about her health. You don't have to prove she has a health issue, you just need to repeat it, constantly... create dissonance in her mind. e.g. say you've noticed a shift in her the past X weeks, how she's very aggressive (or whatever health issue) you're worried she is going through a depression, etc. The goal is to have her be on the defensive... to prove to you, she is healthy. Again, you don't have to accept 'proof', you just need to keep re-creating the conversation. but the key is to do it in a nurturing way. This is Psy Warefare.
Remember, she is operating far below the baseline of reason and logic -- step 1 is to shift her attention on herself (not you, or the kids).
When one look inwards and contemplates, they will eventually find the redpill.