Although her family are all conservatives, she ended up being the loud mouth liberal in the bunch.
She is my youngest brother's wife. And generally gets along with everyone but she came over today for lunch and we got into it. Here's how it went.
Her: Have you seen the latest numbers?
Me: yea. What about them?
Her: Maybe you should think about getting the vaccine and talking the rest of the family into it instead of being an anti vaxxer.
Me: I don't make their decisions. But since you want to talk about numbers, let's talk.
(At this point I asked her very simple questions to end this quickly)
Me: how many people in ICU are terminal patients dying from chronic illness who also happen to have covid?
Her: uhh I don't know.
Me: If someone dies or is hospitalized/ICU within 14 days of getting the second dose labeled as a covid?
Her: I don't know.
Me: why are there more deaths this year than last year if the Delta variant has a higher rate of transmission but less deadly?
Her: what do you mean?
Me: Why are states and nation's with early mass vaccination numbers seeing a higher total and rate in vaccinated for hospitalized and dead than unvaxxed?
Her: More people are vaccinated
Me: I specifically said rate. Explain.
Her: unvaccinated are spreading and causing mutation
Me: so 100% of the planet needs to get vaccinated?
Her: I don't know. Maybe.
Me: what other "vaccine" required 100% of the planet to get it?
Her: uhhh I don't know
Me: None. What happens to a population after being locked down for nearly 2 years without socializing, minimal exercise and binging on junk food and alcohol? What happens when they open up again? What happens to a person's immune system when depressed?
Her: uhh what does that have to do with anything?
Me: you're not welcome around my children or in my home until you smarten up. I've already texted my brother. Time to leave
I've had it with these people. I genuinely can't take their stupidity anymore.
You did not go far enough. Her being a physician should know that unvaxinated cannot create variants. Variants are created with mass vaccinations. If she doesnt know that she should not be a doctor. You didnt mention how many are dying or crippled for life with the vaccine. You didnt mention it was a bio weapon. WTF you had the opportunity and should have gone way further.
The reason why I didn't bother with the first point you mentioned was because she would respond with "aLl vAcxiNes hAve sIde EffEctS". And if I had gone bioweapon, that people like us are aware of, she would have called me a conspiracy theorist. I stumped her through logic and numbers.
Your questions were excellent and a physician ought to be able to answer them. It's shocking she was stumped on so many. Sadly she probably won't remember any long enough to get the idea even accidently, let alone through curiosity.
I think I planted a seed. It's basic math and I didn't even really dive deep into the missing stats and lack of transparency. She'll be back with questions.
Once they get curious, they can see for themselves. The problem seems to be getting them to question the narrative.. Good luck.
I agree! The VAERS numbers bear you out! I'm hopeful she will be back with questions and that she will see the light on this.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=0EA814B248CD05515D8F046ED42F
inquimous and I agree that the questions are excellent, as well.
You did great.Other commenters are correct. This is her trade and she is not doing well at it. She should question and know some of these things
Would it really have made a difference with this woman? She was already lost after OPs first question.
Its nuts just how deeply even doctors are indoctrinated. "Well the journal article said it was good!!!??" Well golly gee now who can argue with that?
List 3 of your recent accomplishments in detail, specifically why your actions led to the accomplishment, and then we'll take turns telling you why you didn't go far enough.
Beta.