We are here to communicate and debate the evidence we see around us, to take out the signal from the noise, because all evidence is suspect. It is only through debate that we can get closer to the truth. Debate can not happen in a censored environment.
It is not your job to determine what the MSM will find "useful ammo", that is a job for the MSM. If you make it your job, you make it our job, but its the MSM's job. Let them do their job.
If you feel you need to censor someone because it is harmful to the conversation itself then you do what you need to do. But any time you worry about what MSM will think, you are playing the wrong game. The only way to not play their game is to ignore it. Who gives a shit where they get their fuel. They will do whatever they want. Censoring here will only cause harm here. It won't stop harm there.
Since I have the opportunity, I would like to mention something about some censorship I have seen here.
I have seen a fair bit of censorship of "shills", when what the "shill" is actually doing is bringing up a legitimate argument to the contrary of "consensus" (around here). It is sometimes called "off topic", but its not off topic at all. We are here to investigate the truth, wherever that may lead. Any legitimate evidence, no matter the topic must be debated, not ever censored. I do not mean that all such acts of censorship fall into that category, but I have seen it happen quite a bit.
Shutting down the conversation on a topic with legitimate evidence (even if weak) must be avoided if we are to ever determine the truth of our world in an environment designed to make that as difficult as possible. Let us discuss it. Let us use our own critical thinking and discernment. That was the number one lesson of Q. Censoring out "uncomfortable things" is never the right answer to any question.
But we’re the majority anyway right? So the censorship is completely unnecessary if we’re worried about what MSM thinks since most people know they’re fake news anyway, this place is slowly trending towards what killed TheDonald.
Imagine Stone Cold Steve Austin censoring himself because he was worried about his perception.
No one here censors "the uncomfortable things," I see questionable ass shit on here all the time. People who are most likely shills that the mods don't kick out. They are usually allowed to stay unless it's overwhelmingly obvious. Considering that letting shills run amok would absolutely destroy this board the mods do a pretty good job striking that balance.
I am not talking out of my ass here. I have seen it happen on multiple occasions. Topics that are otherwise perfectly reasonable with evidence get removed just because it doesn't meet some standard of some mod.
Regardless though, if someone comes here and puts forth doom or black pills, showing them evidence to the contrary can be helpful. Not just for that person, but for other people who encounter similar black pills from other people in their own life. All of these arguments and discussions are helpful, and should not be silenced. Our job is to help the world transition. We can't do that if we silence everyone who is searching, even if they are dooming, or those who are offering what they consider to be evidence, even if we have found counter evidence to it already.
Continuing to show that evidence helps reinforce the position, and helps others coming to it for the first time.
The only time anything should be removed imo is when it is almost unquestionably a direct attack on the boards.
We are here to communicate and debate the evidence we see around us, to take out the signal from the noise, because all evidence is suspect. It is only through debate that we can get closer to the truth. Debate can not happen in a censored environment.
It is not your job to determine what the MSM will find "useful ammo", that is a job for the MSM. If you make it your job, you make it our job, but its the MSM's job. Let them do their job.
If you feel you need to censor someone because it is harmful to the conversation itself then you do what you need to do. But any time you worry about what MSM will think, you are playing the wrong game. The only way to not play their game is to ignore it. Who gives a shit where they get their fuel. They will do whatever they want. Censoring here will only cause harm here. It won't stop harm there.
Since I have the opportunity, I would like to mention something about some censorship I have seen here.
I have seen a fair bit of censorship of "shills", when what the "shill" is actually doing is bringing up a legitimate argument to the contrary of "consensus" (around here). It is sometimes called "off topic", but its not off topic at all. We are here to investigate the truth, wherever that may lead. Any legitimate evidence, no matter the topic must be debated, not ever censored. I do not mean that all such acts of censorship fall into that category, but I have seen it happen quite a bit.
Shutting down the conversation on a topic with legitimate evidence (even if weak) must be avoided if we are to ever determine the truth of our world in an environment designed to make that as difficult as possible. Let us discuss it. Let us use our own critical thinking and discernment. That was the number one lesson of Q. Censoring out "uncomfortable things" is never the right answer to any question.
But we’re the majority anyway right? So the censorship is completely unnecessary if we’re worried about what MSM thinks since most people know they’re fake news anyway, this place is slowly trending towards what killed TheDonald.
Imagine Stone Cold Steve Austin censoring himself because he was worried about his perception.
No one here censors "the uncomfortable things," I see questionable ass shit on here all the time. People who are most likely shills that the mods don't kick out. They are usually allowed to stay unless it's overwhelmingly obvious. Considering that letting shills run amok would absolutely destroy this board the mods do a pretty good job striking that balance.
I am not talking out of my ass here. I have seen it happen on multiple occasions. Topics that are otherwise perfectly reasonable with evidence get removed just because it doesn't meet some standard of some mod.
Regardless though, if someone comes here and puts forth doom or black pills, showing them evidence to the contrary can be helpful. Not just for that person, but for other people who encounter similar black pills from other people in their own life. All of these arguments and discussions are helpful, and should not be silenced. Our job is to help the world transition. We can't do that if we silence everyone who is searching, even if they are dooming, or those who are offering what they consider to be evidence, even if we have found counter evidence to it already.
Continuing to show that evidence helps reinforce the position, and helps others coming to it for the first time.
The only time anything should be removed imo is when it is almost unquestionably a direct attack on the boards.
Fair points. Like I said I haven't seen it. I've seen people who were almost certainly shills attacking mods and they're still around.