Doesn't surprise me. The population of people who has held out this long from the vaccine is going to continue holding out. Most other people have already either gotten it without issue, or had already decided it's not worth losing their job over.
Sort of like saying, "95% of high school dropouts don't think formal education is important." Well, sure. Look who you're sampling.
Not loaded language, and no equating, but it is an unintentionally insensitive analogy. I will do a different one.
"97% of Q supporters believe Donald Trump will return to office before 2022."
I'm just pointing out that the number isn't nearly as shocking when you take into account the sampling context.
Of course 70% of people who have held off being vaccinated this long would quit if they no longer had the option to continue working unvaccinated. I'm surprised it's not higher.
Funny you mention job postings... I got an email from a recruiter looking for someone in my line of work (advertising) to work for Houston Methodist Hospital. You know the hospital in TX where they just fired roughly 150 nurses for not taking the shot. I couldn't help but laugh at the job post.
Possible. Or, 30% of people who have held out this long are not willing to lose everything, and are just really, really hoping that they don't eventually have to make that choice, because they'll give in when it comes to that.
Which sounds plausible to me. Some people have the space around them to give a middle finger to their jobs, but not everyone is in that position.
I speak anecdotally, as someone who has gotten two Pfizer shots back in January, along with all of my coworkers, and their coworkers. We're all still kicking strong.
Maybe other people are having problems, but the only data I've seen allegedly supporting that has been VAERS, and VAERS data literally cannot be used to support that conclusion, based on the how-to guide to the VAERS data on its own page.
I will let you know if I start having health problems, but given that I was one of the earliest vaccinated individuals around, I would have expected to have the same problems by now that you guys think other vaccinated people are having when they got it done later than I did.
It's not that VAERS data is unreliable for what it's supposed to be.
It's that it doesn't collect verified data.
I've written pages and pages on this, but if you look at the how-to guide, you get three important pieces of info:
Nothing, NOTHING is verified before VAERS publishes it into the numbers.
Anyone, ANYONE can submit a VAERS report for anything they even remotely think might be a side-effect from the vaccine.
Doctors are REQUIRED to submit reports on ANY potential side-effect from the vaccine, regardless of whether or not they think the vaccine is actually the cause.
Which means that the vaccine could literally be absolutely, 100% perfect and safe, and we'd still see the VAERS system chock full of reports.
Because it's not designed to see whether the vaccine is killing people. It's designed to established a baseline of "garbage data" in order to detect localized spikes that might show a bad batch or a generalized trend.
The baseline data is going to show thousands of deaths and injuries, and not a single one of them is proven to have anything to do with the vaccine. This is a normal part of data collection when you're dealing with hundreds of millions of data points.
Which is why no actual data scientists are freaked out by the VAERS data. Because they know they're looking at a baseline that was built-in by design to the VAERS system.
Everyone is encouraged to submit everything for any reason, and nothing is verified. That equals a baseline of garbage reports. Stuff that rises ABOVE that baseline is what they're interested in investigating.
They've made it openly available so other scientists can use that data. The data is not curated to be used by laypeople to try to determine whether the vaccine is killing people, because the data, due to the way it's collected, literally can't be used to come to that conclusion. It's impossible given how VAERS is set up.
The clinical trials were designed to see if the vaccine was dangerous. VAERS is used to look for trends above a sea of garbage reports.
Please be aware...you bragging about a high I.Q. will cause some to believe your an evil soy-boy (PhDs have a TERRIBLE track record of evil and stupidity.)
I've seen that and was immediately suspicious of it when I looked at the data.
One reason: open survey.
I hate surveys. Especially when you're giving them to a group of people who are demographically unlikely to provide you accurate information, on purpose.
Let's say that right now, I were to re-run this survey. Here. Among you vaccine skeptics.
Would it be wrong for me to worry that perhaps the people here might falsely claim to have a PhD to legitimize their opinion on the vaccine? In order to make it look like people with high levels of education were supporting the position of this community?
Of course, to know whether this was an actual risk, we have to look at how the data was collected and... oh, it's a Facebook survey.
So they used a Facebook survey, asked people their thoughts on the vaccine, and asked people to self-report their education level. And shockingly, there were a HUGE number of PhDs answering these questions on this random Facebook survey.
The Masters degree people came in as expected. The regular college grads as expected. But a fuckton of PhDs, and a drastic change in opinion. As if a bunch of anti-vax people labeled themselves with the highest possible degree to manipulate the survey.
Which, let's be honest, is a perfectly viable worry. Hell, I've seen that kind of brigading called for on this very site.
Anyway, this paper hasn't been peer-reviewed or published yet, and I imagine other researchers will tear this paper apart on that basis when the time comes. But we'll see.
Lmao, IQ. Dumbest fucks I know have phds and brag about their IQs. Can't survive five minutes outside their discipline. I won't take the Vax so I guess my IQ must be through the roof.
Sooooo,cuz I'm a high school drop out,I'm an idiot?
I'll tell you some truth.the "educated" people i know and deal with are some of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever met. Only thing they got going for them is deep pockets.
my exact sentiment about the educated dumbfucks i know too. Every "educated" person i know got the clotshot. Every educated person i know is having health issues now, including complete bone marrow transplant.
I literally made it up off the top of my head as an example of a headline that uses sampling bias in order to create a shocking statistic. I did not mean to hurt any feelings.
And to be fair to myself, the impression I've gotten from Q people is that MOST of you don't think formal education is trustworthy or valuable, even among your graduates. I'd be interested if it was actually a controversial stance around here, because that's not what I've seen.
Doesn't surprise me. The population of people who has held out this long from the vaccine is going to continue holding out. Most other people have already either gotten it without issue, or had already decided it's not worth losing their job over.
Sort of like saying, "95% of high school dropouts don't think formal education is important." Well, sure. Look who you're sampling.
Not loaded language, and no equating, but it is an unintentionally insensitive analogy. I will do a different one.
"97% of Q supporters believe Donald Trump will return to office before 2022."
I'm just pointing out that the number isn't nearly as shocking when you take into account the sampling context.
Of course 70% of people who have held off being vaccinated this long would quit if they no longer had the option to continue working unvaccinated. I'm surprised it's not higher.
Funny you mention job postings... I got an email from a recruiter looking for someone in my line of work (advertising) to work for Houston Methodist Hospital. You know the hospital in TX where they just fired roughly 150 nurses for not taking the shot. I couldn't help but laugh at the job post.
It is higher. The polls are rigged.
Possible. Or, 30% of people who have held out this long are not willing to lose everything, and are just really, really hoping that they don't eventually have to make that choice, because they'll give in when it comes to that.
Which sounds plausible to me. Some people have the space around them to give a middle finger to their jobs, but not everyone is in that position.
Bottom line is I don't want a vax. So I. Not getting one. I don't care if that vax could save the world, I'm not taking it.
I speak anecdotally, as someone who has gotten two Pfizer shots back in January, along with all of my coworkers, and their coworkers. We're all still kicking strong.
Maybe other people are having problems, but the only data I've seen allegedly supporting that has been VAERS, and VAERS data literally cannot be used to support that conclusion, based on the how-to guide to the VAERS data on its own page.
I will let you know if I start having health problems, but given that I was one of the earliest vaccinated individuals around, I would have expected to have the same problems by now that you guys think other vaccinated people are having when they got it done later than I did.
Same, my own 84 yo mother ended up getting a hysterectomy, my son in laws 82 yo grandmother had the exact same thing happen.
I can't understand anyone who comes here to learn taking the jab. I just can't. It's insane with what we know.
It's not that VAERS data is unreliable for what it's supposed to be.
It's that it doesn't collect verified data.
I've written pages and pages on this, but if you look at the how-to guide, you get three important pieces of info:
Which means that the vaccine could literally be absolutely, 100% perfect and safe, and we'd still see the VAERS system chock full of reports.
Because it's not designed to see whether the vaccine is killing people. It's designed to established a baseline of "garbage data" in order to detect localized spikes that might show a bad batch or a generalized trend.
The baseline data is going to show thousands of deaths and injuries, and not a single one of them is proven to have anything to do with the vaccine. This is a normal part of data collection when you're dealing with hundreds of millions of data points.
Which is why no actual data scientists are freaked out by the VAERS data. Because they know they're looking at a baseline that was built-in by design to the VAERS system.
Everyone is encouraged to submit everything for any reason, and nothing is verified. That equals a baseline of garbage reports. Stuff that rises ABOVE that baseline is what they're interested in investigating.
They've made it openly available so other scientists can use that data. The data is not curated to be used by laypeople to try to determine whether the vaccine is killing people, because the data, due to the way it's collected, literally can't be used to come to that conclusion. It's impossible given how VAERS is set up.
The clinical trials were designed to see if the vaccine was dangerous. VAERS is used to look for trends above a sea of garbage reports.
'Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID'
Electrical engineer here.
I don't want the clot shot because I have an IQ well into triple digits.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh
Please be aware...you bragging about a high I.Q. will cause some to believe your an evil soy-boy (PhDs have a TERRIBLE track record of evil and stupidity.)
I've seen that and was immediately suspicious of it when I looked at the data.
One reason: open survey.
I hate surveys. Especially when you're giving them to a group of people who are demographically unlikely to provide you accurate information, on purpose.
Let's say that right now, I were to re-run this survey. Here. Among you vaccine skeptics.
Would it be wrong for me to worry that perhaps the people here might falsely claim to have a PhD to legitimize their opinion on the vaccine? In order to make it look like people with high levels of education were supporting the position of this community?
Of course, to know whether this was an actual risk, we have to look at how the data was collected and... oh, it's a Facebook survey.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf
So they used a Facebook survey, asked people their thoughts on the vaccine, and asked people to self-report their education level. And shockingly, there were a HUGE number of PhDs answering these questions on this random Facebook survey.
The Masters degree people came in as expected. The regular college grads as expected. But a fuckton of PhDs, and a drastic change in opinion. As if a bunch of anti-vax people labeled themselves with the highest possible degree to manipulate the survey.
Which, let's be honest, is a perfectly viable worry. Hell, I've seen that kind of brigading called for on this very site.
Anyway, this paper hasn't been peer-reviewed or published yet, and I imagine other researchers will tear this paper apart on that basis when the time comes. But we'll see.
It's okay to be wrong about things, it's how we grow.
Agreed.
If you're proven wrong, you've only gotten smarter as a result. Win-win.
Lmao, IQ. Dumbest fucks I know have phds and brag about their IQs. Can't survive five minutes outside their discipline. I won't take the Vax so I guess my IQ must be through the roof.
You know what else most people get without issue?
Covid
Now go get 12 boosters, simp.
Sooooo,cuz I'm a high school drop out,I'm an idiot?
I'll tell you some truth.the "educated" people i know and deal with are some of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever met. Only thing they got going for them is deep pockets.
my exact sentiment about the educated dumbfucks i know too. Every "educated" person i know got the clotshot. Every educated person i know is having health issues now, including complete bone marrow transplant.
Educated liberals, not all educated people. It depends on you're world view. But most of the covid supporters are educated, white libs.
I literally made it up off the top of my head as an example of a headline that uses sampling bias in order to create a shocking statistic. I did not mean to hurt any feelings.
And to be fair to myself, the impression I've gotten from Q people is that MOST of you don't think formal education is trustworthy or valuable, even among your graduates. I'd be interested if it was actually a controversial stance around here, because that's not what I've seen.
Well sir, they've demonstrated that the people who run our higher education are pretty much commie fucks indoctrinating people.
I'm not only well educated but I'm highly experienced in my field. I simply didn't get my education from a formal brainwashing factory.
You not valuing the things that I value does not make you less of a person to me or worth insulting.