Your first link has many inconsistencies and references things that don't exist (like where it says, "below you'll find").
Your second article is only in relation to the J&J so I didn't want to give MSN a click.
Your third article explicitly says that Madurna and Pfizer's, "vaccines" do not contain fetal material. It also states that the J&J only uses fetal cell linings, not fetal cells themselves (not a significant enough distinction to me but my point is, facts matter).
Unless I'm missing something, both of your claims are wrong as currently presented, by your own sources. I'd like to be proven wrong on this, but I don't think I'm going to be.
I did a quick search on duck duck go and came up with the three answers. Do your own research if you don't believe me.. I am sure you could find your own answers if you wished to. My initial source may not have been good...but maybe my next one can help you out.
The mRNA is NOT officially a vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article I linked to earlier:
"However such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both Vaccines" Thus what I said before. Thus the mRNA still uses fetal cells in it's development.
From this paragraph:
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine.
However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines.
Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion...one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
Again, it contains fetal cell linings. I say this again not because the difference is substantial to me, but because you're claiming something that is false. The truth matters. Having pointless falsehoods such as this in a comment allows others to poke against your argument, when it is entirely avoidable by just making sure you stick to the facts.
The mRNA is NOT officially a vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article I linked to earlier:
Not my point - you seem to be incredibly defensive and acting like I'm in favor of these, "vaccines." Note this is the SECOND time I put that in quotes.
"However such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both Vaccines" Thus what I said before. Thus the mRNA still uses fetal cells in it's development.
Only in development, which doesn't mean it's used in the final production. Again my point here is only for you to be completely truthful. Apparently a lot of people on this site don't seem to get that, and try to argue with anyone who dares to question them, so I'm making this painfully obvious in this comment.
From this paragraph:
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine.
Could you provide some sources for these claims? I'd love to add that to my catalogs.
Flu vaccines: https://www.cga.ct.gov/2020/PHdata/Tmy/2020HB-05044-R000219-Wrinn%2015,%20Chris-TMY.PDF
J&J vaccine: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fetal-cell-lines-were-used-to-make-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine%E2%80%94heres-what-that-means/ar-BB1efi8p
mRNA shots: https://www.health.nd.gov/sites/www/files/documents/COVID%20Vaccine%20Page/COVID-19_Vaccine_Fetal_Cell_Handout.pdf
Your first link has many inconsistencies and references things that don't exist (like where it says, "below you'll find").
Your second article is only in relation to the J&J so I didn't want to give MSN a click.
Your third article explicitly says that Madurna and Pfizer's, "vaccines" do not contain fetal material. It also states that the J&J only uses fetal cell linings, not fetal cells themselves (not a significant enough distinction to me but my point is, facts matter).
Unless I'm missing something, both of your claims are wrong as currently presented, by your own sources. I'd like to be proven wrong on this, but I don't think I'm going to be.
Can we please not spread mis-information?
I did a quick search on duck duck go and came up with the three answers. Do your own research if you don't believe me.. I am sure you could find your own answers if you wished to. My initial source may not have been good...but maybe my next one can help you out.
All flu vaccines contain fetal cells. That is a fact. Even the CDC admitted it https://www.thestandardsc.org/baxter-dmitry/cdc-admit-vaccines-contain-aborted-human-fetus-cells/
As a vaccine so does J&J and the Catholic Church even told Catholics not to take it. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/health/2021/03/04/bishops-tell-catholics-to-avoid-johnson---johnson-vaccine-if-possible
The mRNA is NOT officially a vaccine. Apparently you did not read the article I linked to earlier:
"However such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both Vaccines" Thus what I said before. Thus the mRNA still uses fetal cells in it's development.
From this paragraph:
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine.
However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines.
Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion...one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
No, that's not how this works. You made a claim, you're expected to support it.
I'm not disputing this - We're not talking about flu vaccines or anything other than the three mentioned in your original comment.
Again, it contains fetal cell linings. I say this again not because the difference is substantial to me, but because you're claiming something that is false. The truth matters. Having pointless falsehoods such as this in a comment allows others to poke against your argument, when it is entirely avoidable by just making sure you stick to the facts.
Not my point - you seem to be incredibly defensive and acting like I'm in favor of these, "vaccines." Note this is the SECOND time I put that in quotes.
Only in development, which doesn't mean it's used in the final production. Again my point here is only for you to be completely truthful. Apparently a lot of people on this site don't seem to get that, and try to argue with anyone who dares to question them, so I'm making this painfully obvious in this comment.
We've covered this above.