Florida’s house introduces abortion bill similar to Texas.
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Prove viability earlier than 24 weeks?
A toddler isn't viable. Stick them in the middle of a field and come back a week later, let me know if they were viable or not.
You're not going to find a "viable" human much under the age of 15 who can handle this world without assistance.
No different than the toddler example. The parents of the toddler have no autonomy when it comes to their child's safety and welfare, if they let it die they're going to prison. Whether before 24 weeks or after 24 months, the timing of the murder is completely arbitrary.
The Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade defined viability as the ability to survive outside the womb, not the ability to survive outside the womb with no other human assistance. Obviously we're social creatures. We need each other to survive. But we hold the right to privacy and bodily autonomy as sacrosanct. Every bit as important as the right to life. It's why we feel ok using deadly force against invaders trying to take our land or trying to enslave us. It doesn't matter if they want to kill us or not, because freedom is worth dying, and killing for.
Again you're ignoring realities about killing here in order to bolster a weak point. You know that not every killing is a murder. When a soldier kills another soldier in battle, it's not murder. When a father kills an intruder in his home, it's not murder. We define what types of killings constitute murder. Now, you clearly think that the moment a sperm enters an egg that nobody else's rights matter anymore, and frankly I agree with you in principle, but when I think about what this country would be like if we adopted that precedent, that the right to life immediately subordinates all other rights well...just think about that for a minute and tell me you'd be ok with that. Because I don't think you would either.
It was completely legal to kill Jews in Nazi Germany.
Completely legal.
Right?
Certainly. Like John McCain.
Worse than the industry of selling baby parts?
Name "all other rights" subordinated. I'm certain you have a long list, because it sure sounds like it.
But I'll be surprised if you name one.
I think so. I mean...I don't think the general citizenry were encouraged to kill them, but report them, so they could be arrested and deported--I was under the impression that Germans by and large had not idea the Jews were actually being murdered, do you know otherwise? Either way though I'm not sure I get your point.
Exactly.
That's quite the strawman. I never said I was in favor of selling baby parts.
I'm not sure what you're driving at here. Could you maybe rephrase your request?
It's no strawman at all. Women have abortions at planned parenthood, where they harvest baby parts for sale.
There is no abortion-on-demand of whatever demographic baby ages you think is appropriate to kill that won't get sold as body parts.
To say you don't want to live in a world where women can't have abortions prior to a certain age is exactly equivalent to saying you are ok living in a world where the bodies of those babies are harvested and sold.
You said this:
I'm asking what you meant by that.
I can imagine what you meant by that, as follows:
etc.
But I don't know that that's what you meant, so I asked you specifically what rights you think are being subordinated by a woman being denied having an abortion.