I absolutely agree with this post! Corporations are, by their very structure, set up to bring out the worst in human nature. They need to be completely outlawed.
This wont work, nothing beats the economic power of the capitalist free market system. We need to find a way to limit their power. Even then its only a temp fix, they will get around it. Just like our founders warned.
Their power is directly corelated to the power of the government. The more powerful the government, the more powerful the corporations that buy it's favor. The left has long fell into this trap.
Red October? Communist takeover of Moderate Post-Tzar Russia.
Named for what? Bolsheviks.
Why do we hate them? Commies!
Who funded them? The German Monarchy and European Banks... Half a billion dollars - in yesterday’s money.
Still trust Corporations to care about you?
Capitalism only functions as intended if the tree of liberty is alive. Corporate power to challenge the government to a trial of strength should be crushed, as Thomas Jefferson desired.
This is about 1776. Not Communism, and certainly not Corporatism.
You will find many on the left agree more with us and our founding fathers once you break through their conditioning of anti-Americanism.
You will find that Jorgensen tier Libertarians, are the least like our founding fathers - and additionally a direct threat due to the weight of their sheer stupidity and cult like worship of grifters and false teachers.
Wealth limits. You hit 50 million that's enough, go volunteer your labor if you need to do something. This constant game of who can have more digits in their account needs to end.
I don't think there should be wealth limits, but there should be extreme and very harsh laws against bribery and lobbying. Any and all forms of bribery should have extremely dire consequences for the wealthy. This should reach to the point that if you as a wealthy individual are convicted of bribery or lobbying, your wealth is immediately taken and given to charity or some other form of distribution that benefits mankind. The whole reason the Rothschilds and Rockefellers have been able to garner the Trillions they have is bribery and lobbying...plain and simple. One shouldn't be able to use one's money to buy influence and coercion. This includes loaning money with interest...another practice that should be outlawed!
See, this guy at least engaged in conversation and offered a counter solution instead of attacking me and calling me a communist. For fucks sake. I've been on this forum a long time and never dealt with such close minded garbage before.
Thank you Hawk, you're a far better pede than that CQFEFE jerk.
Anyway, I think your solution is close minded a bit. Think about the power that that much wealth brings, you think any laws are going to last long against that? I really think we cant let it accumulate in the first place. Is 50 million really not enough? You tell me a number, how much does ONE individual need?
Maybe you are correct. Honestly at the heart of the issue is the sinfulness of man and his overwhelming love of money and ultimately power. The robber barons of the turn of century before last were a perfect example why our Constitution, the free enterprise system it allows and the freedom it was supposed to protect is only equitable for a righteous and moral people. Freedom, given to people like Amstel Rothschild, David Rockefeller, etc. will only lead to exploitation and death of others. These people are wicked to the core...they were wicked before they earned one cent off the backs of others. I hint at "The Synagogue of satan" Jesus spoke of when he was speaking to the religious leaders of His day.
I think it's also a bloodline issue as well. "If" God allows us to overcome the evil we have, in many cases, encouraged...if we defeat the NWO, provisions through education need to be put in place to guard against people like Bill Gates, the Clintons, etc. ever getting or maintaining power and wealth through the political and law making machine. Our Founders were wise and well schooled in government, but either by ignorance or by design (I think the latter), several important issues were left out of our Constitution. For instance, Term Limits! Why was this not added? The Constitution should have language that would dissuade individuals from wanting to run for office for any other reason except a genuine desire to serve our Country and make her a better, more Godly place to live.
Sorry, I am rambling, but my mind suddenly kicked into gear...and I will finish my rant with this very controversial and some would say unAmerican statement. It is my well researched opinion that we are where we are here (on the brink of destruction with the most tyrannical government the world has ever seen)...we are here, NOT in spite of the Constitution...but BECAUSE of our Constitution. Read the Articles of Confederation and the Anti-Federalist Papers and you will understand the truth of my statement. I'm not in favor of replacing our Constitution, but it certainly needs some critical amendments added and taken away!
Why would wealth limits be needed? I mean, wealth is not a static thing that is finite; it can be created. Thus, there is no limit to how much wealth is available to be had. For example, you can go out tomorrow and work to become a billionaire.
It to limit their power, the wealth is just what gives them that power. Nothing to do with scarcity. Also to end the psychotic drive these people seem to have to... say... sink the world into an authoritarian pandemic for money.
Its just an idea, how do you propose we prevent a dozen people from accumulating 90% of the worlds weath and becoming so powerful they can turn off our constitution and start force injecting kids with fucking death shots.
Please, I'm all fucking ears. You guys have lots of shit to say but no solution.
Soros, Rockefeller, Gates, Rothschild, Shwab. THESE EVIL MEN with their ILL GOTTEN GAINS are too powerful. And it will happen AGAIN AND AGAIN.
It's a complicated solution no doubt. A solution for which I have no viable answer to offer up myself. But, limiting wealth as you suggest is not the answer.
Why? Wealth begets power begets wealth. We dont let 300 pound men fight in the same ring against a 120 pound girl because we understand certain things just arent right.
But we force everyone to compete financially and politically against these artificially created super wealthy.
We don't allow regular citizens to own nukes because we understand the danger, I propose the danger of this much unlimited wealth is as great a danger as nukes.
Why? Your solution penalizes those individuals who are able to create wealth naturally and not "artificially" as you suggest. It goes without saying that any precedent that allows for penalizing the good because of what the bad do is very bad stuff.
Instead, why not, for example, seek to remove the condition(s) that allow for people to become artificially wealthy?
No offense but fuck off commie, who the fuck are you to decide what's enough for someone else
What if Donald Trump had stopped at a measly 50 million? He'd never have become the man he is today or had the power to get done what he did. And he's not done yet.
How could you possibly know that? He could have still built Trump Corp worth 500 trillion, it would just be a measure to fight against the constant rat race and keeping up with the Jones's that leads people to do terrible evil.
And also, fuck you too for attacking me instead of attacking my idea. That makes you a faggot. So fuckoff faggot.
LOL yeah, I attacked your horrible idea of arbitrary, illegal "wealth limits." So what.
Sorry about your fragile ego. I don't even know you. But I do know you're someone who spouts a lot of spiritual stuff when it's handy to look Christian, but then erupts in obscenity when some stranger calls you out for promoting a commie idea.
You didn't attack my idea, you attacked me. I'm fine with you attacking the idea, if it's bad it's bad. But I'm not so sure it's as "commie" as you think.
Maybe you like what soros has done to our nation? Maybe you think giving people that much power is a great idea, especially when so many are born into it bc they got to the top and captured the regulatory bodies. Sure, we get 1 Trump for every 20 soros Rockefeller, gates, Rothschild. Seems not so great. We didn't get to this desperate place as a nation by accident, what do you propose we change so it doesnt happen again?
Your brainwashing is as strong as the lefties and you dont even know it. What provoked that angry response from you? That's not a rational response, that's a programmed reaction.
Listen. Arbitrary wealth limits such as you gaily promoted are a terrible, communistic idea. No amount of whining is going to change that, but by all means, post another whine.
Corporations are people too. (Left wingers go apeshit over that, but literally, corporations are comprised of individual human beings.)
For most companies, their chief mode of interaction with us consists of politely begging us to buy their products, while constantly striving to make them better and more affordable. The downside is it's hard for EVERYONE to get rich, because of competition plus the enormous amount of work and long hours and innovation that are necessary.
Free enterprise and entrepreneurial capitalism make for the worst economic system ever invented, except for all the others.
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
Likewise;
"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
Corporations are not people.
They are instruments of oligarchs that do not envision limits for themselves.
Likewise, We the People are free to form businesses - the key difference between an entrepreneur and a corporation, is how localized and powerful they are.
Pfizer vs 3 restaurant chain owned by a single family.
But then you have government corruption. Why not attack the root of the problem? If you cant have more than 50 million, CEOs will be changed out much more after they have made it, people would do things that benefit humanity instead of feeling the need to keep earning so they dont have less than that other guy.
No need to lobby so hard and break the law when your definitely going to make your 50 million before the end of your career. You see the benefits?
The key is to dismantle the agent of corruption - an Oligarchy.
If you’ve paid attention, at all, these past four years, you can see the amount of WEALTH does not corrupt; the amount of POWER is what corrupts. For example - Is Trump Corrupt? Billionaire. Still responsible.
Money is a tool. More useful to some than others.
Corporations are both an entity and an actor. Not a person. They have real POWER.
You want a fair society? Eliminate the power of corporations, and return the ability of local and state communities to generate and keep wealth.
Capitalism reboots. Functions as intended. The negligent and broken will remain poor, but you can once again afford to be charitable.
Yes we can name ONE good billionaire who has admitted he was corrupt in the past. Saying wealth isnt power is just childish semantics. Yes its technically a tool that you could choose to not use. That doesn't change the fact that its incredibly dangerous having such concentrated power in so few hands, and why the hell isn't 50 million enough?
My idea isnt socialist or communist, as no one would get to take anything from you, you just graduate out of the capitalist game once you reach a certain absurd level, and let's be honest, YOU are never going to reach that level.
I know capitalism is essential, but I also know the greatest risk we face is our government institutions being captured by the interest of these corporations, which has lead to... oh I dunno. The NEAR DESTRUCTION OF OUR REPUBLIC
You provide zero solutions or new ideas, your obedience to your programming is deadly.
People like this are why the Mafia went ‘legitimate’ with their enterprises. They put up no struggle because they are not comprehending what Capitalism, used responsibly and for the People, means.
Corporate power is NOTHING like what our founding fathers intended.
You are showing your ignorance about corporations. There are millions of small businesses that are set up as corporations. The business structure is not the enemy, the people running some of them are the enemy. Communists used your anti corporation talking points as propaganda to allow the government to take over businesses.
Indeed!
Exactly...
I absolutely agree with this post! Corporations are, by their very structure, set up to bring out the worst in human nature. They need to be completely outlawed.
This wont work, nothing beats the economic power of the capitalist free market system. We need to find a way to limit their power. Even then its only a temp fix, they will get around it. Just like our founders warned.
Eliminate the concept of 'corporate personhood.'
If Bezos was personally liable for any criminal activity caused by Amazon, that would force companies to act in less antisocial ways.
I like it, sounds like a great step in the right direction.
Their power is directly corelated to the power of the government. The more powerful the government, the more powerful the corporations that buy it's favor. The left has long fell into this trap.
That's only because the government is a convenient tool, remove it and they will directly take over like warlords.
Think of historical significance:
Red October? Communist takeover of Moderate Post-Tzar Russia.
Named for what? Bolsheviks.
Why do we hate them? Commies!
Who funded them? The German Monarchy and European Banks... Half a billion dollars - in yesterday’s money.
Still trust Corporations to care about you?
Capitalism only functions as intended if the tree of liberty is alive. Corporate power to challenge the government to a trial of strength should be crushed, as Thomas Jefferson desired.
This is about 1776. Not Communism, and certainly not Corporatism.
You will find many on the left agree more with us and our founding fathers once you break through their conditioning of anti-Americanism.
You will find that Jorgensen tier Libertarians, are the least like our founding fathers - and additionally a direct threat due to the weight of their sheer stupidity and cult like worship of grifters and false teachers.
Think Ayn Rand.
No more oligarchs.
No more monarchies.
We, the People.
We, the People.
We, the People.
Wealth limits. You hit 50 million that's enough, go volunteer your labor if you need to do something. This constant game of who can have more digits in their account needs to end.
I don't think there should be wealth limits, but there should be extreme and very harsh laws against bribery and lobbying. Any and all forms of bribery should have extremely dire consequences for the wealthy. This should reach to the point that if you as a wealthy individual are convicted of bribery or lobbying, your wealth is immediately taken and given to charity or some other form of distribution that benefits mankind. The whole reason the Rothschilds and Rockefellers have been able to garner the Trillions they have is bribery and lobbying...plain and simple. One shouldn't be able to use one's money to buy influence and coercion. This includes loaning money with interest...another practice that should be outlawed!
Indeed, allow pure capitalism ....... minus the crony part that currently proceeds it as witnessed throughout much of the entirety of today's world.
See, this guy at least engaged in conversation and offered a counter solution instead of attacking me and calling me a communist. For fucks sake. I've been on this forum a long time and never dealt with such close minded garbage before.
Thank you Hawk, you're a far better pede than that CQFEFE jerk.
Anyway, I think your solution is close minded a bit. Think about the power that that much wealth brings, you think any laws are going to last long against that? I really think we cant let it accumulate in the first place. Is 50 million really not enough? You tell me a number, how much does ONE individual need?
Maybe you are correct. Honestly at the heart of the issue is the sinfulness of man and his overwhelming love of money and ultimately power. The robber barons of the turn of century before last were a perfect example why our Constitution, the free enterprise system it allows and the freedom it was supposed to protect is only equitable for a righteous and moral people. Freedom, given to people like Amstel Rothschild, David Rockefeller, etc. will only lead to exploitation and death of others. These people are wicked to the core...they were wicked before they earned one cent off the backs of others. I hint at "The Synagogue of satan" Jesus spoke of when he was speaking to the religious leaders of His day.
I think it's also a bloodline issue as well. "If" God allows us to overcome the evil we have, in many cases, encouraged...if we defeat the NWO, provisions through education need to be put in place to guard against people like Bill Gates, the Clintons, etc. ever getting or maintaining power and wealth through the political and law making machine. Our Founders were wise and well schooled in government, but either by ignorance or by design (I think the latter), several important issues were left out of our Constitution. For instance, Term Limits! Why was this not added? The Constitution should have language that would dissuade individuals from wanting to run for office for any other reason except a genuine desire to serve our Country and make her a better, more Godly place to live.
Sorry, I am rambling, but my mind suddenly kicked into gear...and I will finish my rant with this very controversial and some would say unAmerican statement. It is my well researched opinion that we are where we are here (on the brink of destruction with the most tyrannical government the world has ever seen)...we are here, NOT in spite of the Constitution...but BECAUSE of our Constitution. Read the Articles of Confederation and the Anti-Federalist Papers and you will understand the truth of my statement. I'm not in favor of replacing our Constitution, but it certainly needs some critical amendments added and taken away!
Why would wealth limits be needed? I mean, wealth is not a static thing that is finite; it can be created. Thus, there is no limit to how much wealth is available to be had. For example, you can go out tomorrow and work to become a billionaire.
It to limit their power, the wealth is just what gives them that power. Nothing to do with scarcity. Also to end the psychotic drive these people seem to have to... say... sink the world into an authoritarian pandemic for money.
So, you would limit those with good wealth intentions because of those with bad ones? That's a very bad precedent to set.
Its just an idea, how do you propose we prevent a dozen people from accumulating 90% of the worlds weath and becoming so powerful they can turn off our constitution and start force injecting kids with fucking death shots.
Please, I'm all fucking ears. You guys have lots of shit to say but no solution.
Soros, Rockefeller, Gates, Rothschild, Shwab. THESE EVIL MEN with their ILL GOTTEN GAINS are too powerful. And it will happen AGAIN AND AGAIN.
So what do we do?
Digits wouldn't matter if we actually held criminals responsible for their wrong doings. What gave you done to destroy the evil around you, anon?
That's just ignorant, poor criminals are held accountable. It is EXACTLY this absurd amount of concentrated power that insulates them from the law.
It's a complicated solution no doubt. A solution for which I have no viable answer to offer up myself. But, limiting wealth as you suggest is not the answer.
Why? Wealth begets power begets wealth. We dont let 300 pound men fight in the same ring against a 120 pound girl because we understand certain things just arent right.
But we force everyone to compete financially and politically against these artificially created super wealthy.
We don't allow regular citizens to own nukes because we understand the danger, I propose the danger of this much unlimited wealth is as great a danger as nukes.
Just look at our republic.
Why? Your solution penalizes those individuals who are able to create wealth naturally and not "artificially" as you suggest. It goes without saying that any precedent that allows for penalizing the good because of what the bad do is very bad stuff.
Instead, why not, for example, seek to remove the condition(s) that allow for people to become artificially wealthy?
No offense but fuck off commie, who the fuck are you to decide what's enough for someone else
What if Donald Trump had stopped at a measly 50 million? He'd never have become the man he is today or had the power to get done what he did. And he's not done yet.
How could you possibly know that? He could have still built Trump Corp worth 500 trillion, it would just be a measure to fight against the constant rat race and keeping up with the Jones's that leads people to do terrible evil.
And also, fuck you too for attacking me instead of attacking my idea. That makes you a faggot. So fuckoff faggot.
LOL yeah, I attacked your horrible idea of arbitrary, illegal "wealth limits." So what.
Sorry about your fragile ego. I don't even know you. But I do know you're someone who spouts a lot of spiritual stuff when it's handy to look Christian, but then erupts in obscenity when some stranger calls you out for promoting a commie idea.
You didn't attack my idea, you attacked me. I'm fine with you attacking the idea, if it's bad it's bad. But I'm not so sure it's as "commie" as you think.
Maybe you like what soros has done to our nation? Maybe you think giving people that much power is a great idea, especially when so many are born into it bc they got to the top and captured the regulatory bodies. Sure, we get 1 Trump for every 20 soros Rockefeller, gates, Rothschild. Seems not so great. We didn't get to this desperate place as a nation by accident, what do you propose we change so it doesnt happen again?
Your brainwashing is as strong as the lefties and you dont even know it. What provoked that angry response from you? That's not a rational response, that's a programmed reaction.
Also, you started with the obscenity, are you that brain dead that you cant look 2 posts back and see that you obviously attacked me first?
So triggered.
Listen. Arbitrary wealth limits such as you gaily promoted are a terrible, communistic idea. No amount of whining is going to change that, but by all means, post another whine.
You haven't provided ONE counterpoint. You've only attacked me. So we arent even allowed to discuss these ideas?
Ok chairman Mao.
Corporations are people too. (Left wingers go apeshit over that, but literally, corporations are comprised of individual human beings.)
For most companies, their chief mode of interaction with us consists of politely begging us to buy their products, while constantly striving to make them better and more affordable. The downside is it's hard for EVERYONE to get rich, because of competition plus the enormous amount of work and long hours and innovation that are necessary.
Free enterprise and entrepreneurial capitalism make for the worst economic system ever invented, except for all the others.
Free enterprise and entrepreneurial capitalism make for the worst economic system ever invented, except for all the others. THIS...
Thomas Jefferson.
Likewise;
Corporations are not people.
They are instruments of oligarchs that do not envision limits for themselves.
Likewise, We the People are free to form businesses - the key difference between an entrepreneur and a corporation, is how localized and powerful they are.
Pfizer vs 3 restaurant chain owned by a single family.
Difference = vast. The former is indefensible.
Yeah, like Phizer and Moderna, politely mandating us get their vaccine through regulatory capture.
Please big Corp daddy, inject and mask my kids more.
Don’t forget the mandates to force you into purchasing insurance at extortionate rates.
Certain industries can not be trusted and should be owned by the people they serve. Note the keyword: SERVE.
But then you have government corruption. Why not attack the root of the problem? If you cant have more than 50 million, CEOs will be changed out much more after they have made it, people would do things that benefit humanity instead of feeling the need to keep earning so they dont have less than that other guy.
No need to lobby so hard and break the law when your definitely going to make your 50 million before the end of your career. You see the benefits?
Not if you want a working economy.
The key is to dismantle the agent of corruption - an Oligarchy.
If you’ve paid attention, at all, these past four years, you can see the amount of WEALTH does not corrupt; the amount of POWER is what corrupts. For example - Is Trump Corrupt? Billionaire. Still responsible.
Money is a tool. More useful to some than others.
Corporations are both an entity and an actor. Not a person. They have real POWER.
You want a fair society? Eliminate the power of corporations, and return the ability of local and state communities to generate and keep wealth.
Capitalism reboots. Functions as intended. The negligent and broken will remain poor, but you can once again afford to be charitable.
Yes we can name ONE good billionaire who has admitted he was corrupt in the past. Saying wealth isnt power is just childish semantics. Yes its technically a tool that you could choose to not use. That doesn't change the fact that its incredibly dangerous having such concentrated power in so few hands, and why the hell isn't 50 million enough?
My idea isnt socialist or communist, as no one would get to take anything from you, you just graduate out of the capitalist game once you reach a certain absurd level, and let's be honest, YOU are never going to reach that level.
Must've missed where I said "MOST companies"
Most = not all
In socialism, the govt owns all means of production. The blanket hatred for corporations is a commie psy op. Don't fall for it.
I know capitalism is essential, but I also know the greatest risk we face is our government institutions being captured by the interest of these corporations, which has lead to... oh I dunno. The NEAR DESTRUCTION OF OUR REPUBLIC
You provide zero solutions or new ideas, your obedience to your programming is deadly.
People like this are why the Mafia went ‘legitimate’ with their enterprises. They put up no struggle because they are not comprehending what Capitalism, used responsibly and for the People, means.
Corporate power is NOTHING like what our founding fathers intended.
You are showing your ignorance about corporations. There are millions of small businesses that are set up as corporations. The business structure is not the enemy, the people running some of them are the enemy. Communists used your anti corporation talking points as propaganda to allow the government to take over businesses.
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