Curious as to anyone’s thoughts on Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason; he makes valid points and it’s hard for me to find where he’s wrong. Raised catholic, ‘turned atheist’, open to all possibilities but still feel there are too many problems for me to buy into The Bible or Christianity (how can one trust a house if the foundation is faulty?)
Haven't read it but curious, how is the foundation faulty?
The Bible is the most trustworthy piece of classic literature there is. Especially the new testament, if you cant trust that, you cant trust that anything in our history books ever happened. Read “Case For Christ” for a better explanation.
Great book. I'd also recommend his follow-up "Case for Faith" which is a succinct and scientific take down of all things evolution. Good ammo to dismantle any die-hard evolutionist you might know.
Another good take down of evolution is Stephen C Meyers’ Signature in the Cell. Not only will you learn about how improbable evolution is but how DNA works and it’s quite impossible for DNA to evolve they Darwin proposed. It is follow up to his first book Darwin’s Doubt that focuses more Darwin and his own doubts about evolution.
Read it and I will read yours. Admittedly the Old Testament is worse but I still have many questions (and as is usually the case these days- my doubts and questions stem more from who has controlled the information and who has/is benefiting from controlling said information.) There ARE inconsistencies, so I then have to wonder, did those scholars who assembled the Bible not realize this, or did/do they know and just don’t care bc ‘we’re sheep’?? Thanks for the suggestion fren, I’ll lyk after I have a chance to check it out. Wwg1wga
Sure. Which is exactly my point, if this is His Word and His religion, then shouldn’t it be bulletproof? If it isn’t (even if it’s bc man corrupted it), and it hasn’t been corrected, why not?
Are you seriously saying they’re aren’t more (or any) inconsistencies/falsehoods in the old compared to the new?? Humble yourself before Reading Comprehension and try skimming it one more time.
Do you have an example of an inconsistency? I hope you understand that this isnt coming from an argumentative place, i just love talking about the subject. I didnt understand how the Bible was structured until recently.
This is from pg52 (part 2, s3) and just one small example of how (esp in part two) he goes book by book to examine flaws, [you can search Thomas Paine Age of Reason and find a free pdf btw]: “ After telling that Moses went to the top of Pisgah (and it does not appear from any account that he ever came down again), he tells us that Moses died there in the land of Moab, and that he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab; but as there is no antecedent to the pronoun he, there is no knowing who he was that did bury him. If the writer meant that he (God) buried him, how should he (the writer) know it? or why should we (the readers) believe him? since we know not who the writer was that tells us so, for certainly Moses could not himself tell where he was buried.
The writer also tells us, that no man knoweth where the sepulchre of Moses is unto this day, meaning the time in which this writer lived; how then should he know that Moses was buried in a valley in the land of Moab?”
I appreciate your curiosity and respectfulness, I also find these conversations very interesting and look forward to continuing.
Curious as to anyone’s thoughts on Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason; he makes valid points and it’s hard for me to find where he’s wrong. Raised catholic, ‘turned atheist’, open to all possibilities but still feel there are too many problems for me to buy into The Bible or Christianity (how can one trust a house if the foundation is faulty?)
Haven't read it but curious, how is the foundation faulty? The Bible is the most trustworthy piece of classic literature there is. Especially the new testament, if you cant trust that, you cant trust that anything in our history books ever happened. Read “Case For Christ” for a better explanation.
Great book. I'd also recommend his follow-up "Case for Faith" which is a succinct and scientific take down of all things evolution. Good ammo to dismantle any die-hard evolutionist you might know.
Another good take down of evolution is Stephen C Meyers’ Signature in the Cell. Not only will you learn about how improbable evolution is but how DNA works and it’s quite impossible for DNA to evolve they Darwin proposed. It is follow up to his first book Darwin’s Doubt that focuses more Darwin and his own doubts about evolution.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've written it down in my "Books I need to Read" list.
Read it and I will read yours. Admittedly the Old Testament is worse but I still have many questions (and as is usually the case these days- my doubts and questions stem more from who has controlled the information and who has/is benefiting from controlling said information.) There ARE inconsistencies, so I then have to wonder, did those scholars who assembled the Bible not realize this, or did/do they know and just don’t care bc ‘we’re sheep’?? Thanks for the suggestion fren, I’ll lyk after I have a chance to check it out. Wwg1wga
Sure. Which is exactly my point, if this is His Word and His religion, then shouldn’t it be bulletproof? If it isn’t (even if it’s bc man corrupted it), and it hasn’t been corrected, why not?
Are you seriously saying they’re aren’t more (or any) inconsistencies/falsehoods in the old compared to the new?? Humble yourself before Reading Comprehension and try skimming it one more time.
Do you have an example of an inconsistency? I hope you understand that this isnt coming from an argumentative place, i just love talking about the subject. I didnt understand how the Bible was structured until recently.
This is from pg52 (part 2, s3) and just one small example of how (esp in part two) he goes book by book to examine flaws, [you can search Thomas Paine Age of Reason and find a free pdf btw]: “ After telling that Moses went to the top of Pisgah (and it does not appear from any account that he ever came down again), he tells us that Moses died there in the land of Moab, and that he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab; but as there is no antecedent to the pronoun he, there is no knowing who he was that did bury him. If the writer meant that he (God) buried him, how should he (the writer) know it? or why should we (the readers) believe him? since we know not who the writer was that tells us so, for certainly Moses could not himself tell where he was buried. The writer also tells us, that no man knoweth where the sepulchre of Moses is unto this day, meaning the time in which this writer lived; how then should he know that Moses was buried in a valley in the land of Moab?” I appreciate your curiosity and respectfulness, I also find these conversations very interesting and look forward to continuing.