Do you have an example of an inconsistency? I hope you understand that this isnt coming from an argumentative place, i just love talking about the subject. I didnt understand how the Bible was structured until recently.
This is from pg52 (part 2, s3) and just one small example of how (esp in part two) he goes book by book to examine flaws, [you can search Thomas Paine Age of Reason and find a free pdf btw]: “ After telling that Moses went to the top of Pisgah (and it does not appear from any account that he ever came down again), he tells us that Moses died there in the land of Moab, and that he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab; but as there is no antecedent to the pronoun he, there is no knowing who he was that did bury him. If the writer meant that he (God) buried him, how should he (the writer) know it? or why should we (the readers) believe him? since we know not who the writer was that tells us so, for certainly Moses could not himself tell where he was buried.
The writer also tells us, that no man knoweth where the sepulchre of Moses is unto this day, meaning the time in which this writer lived; how then should he know that Moses was buried in a valley in the land of Moab?”
I appreciate your curiosity and respectfulness, I also find these conversations very interesting and look forward to continuing.
I think it is understood that while Moses is credited as author of Deuteronomy, he did not actually write it as is obvious when discussing his death. So at least the start and end were penned by an unknown writer.
Assuming the text was not written in real time, some time had passed between Moses’ death and the writing, it could be assumed that the unknown writer witnessed the burial but upon inspection of the valley could not pin point the location.
This doesnt seem like that big of a deal.
We’re going through the book of John right now in our small group so i skipped ahead to Paine’s section on that. His first issue is with Moses’ prophesy about Jesus. Bibletrack.org has a good argument for why Paine was mistaken.
I will gladly check that article out, thank you fren. Yes, that’s not the best example but as you can see he gets rather wordy at times so this was meant as a sample of his style. I agree that at times he may seem to let his temper get the best of him and I don’t always agree with his conclusions, but I do think he brings up plenty of good points that are at least worthy of some extra thought (Especially in his assertion that prophet May just be a miss interpretation/translation of poet). Even though he points out a lot of small details, I wonder at what point enough small lies omissions changes, as slight as they may be, add up to be a disqualification.
I would be hesitant to rely on this book for your conclusions. Later on the Book of John section he has an issue with The fact that Jesus didnt have any broken bones and John said that fulfilled a prophesy. He missed the point about Jesus being the perfect sacrifice for us all. The old testament talks about the preparation of an animal sacrifice, and Jesus was called the Lamb of God. Paine isnt putting those two things together.
My first impression is that he comes off bitter and bias. If you have any really good points, i would enjoy them, but so far what Ive read is probably only useful to motivate a position you already hold.
Do you have an example of an inconsistency? I hope you understand that this isnt coming from an argumentative place, i just love talking about the subject. I didnt understand how the Bible was structured until recently.
This is from pg52 (part 2, s3) and just one small example of how (esp in part two) he goes book by book to examine flaws, [you can search Thomas Paine Age of Reason and find a free pdf btw]: “ After telling that Moses went to the top of Pisgah (and it does not appear from any account that he ever came down again), he tells us that Moses died there in the land of Moab, and that he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab; but as there is no antecedent to the pronoun he, there is no knowing who he was that did bury him. If the writer meant that he (God) buried him, how should he (the writer) know it? or why should we (the readers) believe him? since we know not who the writer was that tells us so, for certainly Moses could not himself tell where he was buried. The writer also tells us, that no man knoweth where the sepulchre of Moses is unto this day, meaning the time in which this writer lived; how then should he know that Moses was buried in a valley in the land of Moab?” I appreciate your curiosity and respectfulness, I also find these conversations very interesting and look forward to continuing.
I think it is understood that while Moses is credited as author of Deuteronomy, he did not actually write it as is obvious when discussing his death. So at least the start and end were penned by an unknown writer.
Assuming the text was not written in real time, some time had passed between Moses’ death and the writing, it could be assumed that the unknown writer witnessed the burial but upon inspection of the valley could not pin point the location.
This doesnt seem like that big of a deal.
We’re going through the book of John right now in our small group so i skipped ahead to Paine’s section on that. His first issue is with Moses’ prophesy about Jesus. Bibletrack.org has a good argument for why Paine was mistaken.
I will gladly check that article out, thank you fren. Yes, that’s not the best example but as you can see he gets rather wordy at times so this was meant as a sample of his style. I agree that at times he may seem to let his temper get the best of him and I don’t always agree with his conclusions, but I do think he brings up plenty of good points that are at least worthy of some extra thought (Especially in his assertion that prophet May just be a miss interpretation/translation of poet). Even though he points out a lot of small details, I wonder at what point enough small lies omissions changes, as slight as they may be, add up to be a disqualification.
I would be hesitant to rely on this book for your conclusions. Later on the Book of John section he has an issue with The fact that Jesus didnt have any broken bones and John said that fulfilled a prophesy. He missed the point about Jesus being the perfect sacrifice for us all. The old testament talks about the preparation of an animal sacrifice, and Jesus was called the Lamb of God. Paine isnt putting those two things together.
My first impression is that he comes off bitter and bias. If you have any really good points, i would enjoy them, but so far what Ive read is probably only useful to motivate a position you already hold.