If you know anything about the reality of this sort of trauma, you know there is an exceedingly high probability that this poor soul himself was abused and traumatized as a child.
I guess its not a popular view around here, because so many anons seem to ready to judge, but that was another admonition from Christ: judge not, lest thou be judged (by the same standard).
We can ONLY end the cycle of trauma, tragedy and abuse that has infected our lineages for centuries and more, by terminating the cycle. That cannot happen via retribution, anger or hate.
Rosenbaum met his fate. Did he deserve it? I don't know his story. What I DO know is that in the case of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse and child sexual abuse, it NEVER starts with the most recent incident.
Why do I raise this point? Because accountability will be required of us all. If you were frequently raped as a child, and abused consistently, throughout childhood, and you end up a criminal and multiplier of that abuse, are you the only one to blame?
Those of us who sit in judgment on such wretched damned souls may take emotional comfort or satisfaction in laying that judgment out and envisioning their torture, but what does that make us?
"To him who much has been given, much will be required"
Well, yeah. In case it wasn't clear, I'm saying Christ said this as a warning to all, not merely to pass judgment on others. Obviously, if you fail to heed the warning, you stand a very good chance of falling under the judgment.
We are called to be forgiving. However, we are a nation of laws and we are not supposed to victimize others, especially children. At the very least, these people should be locked away from others. We are not called to enable criminal behavior. God's people had laws and when the people did such things, they were meted out justice. That guy paid with his life here. He will receive another judgement as well.
I agree with all you say. At the LEAST such people should be locked away. yes.
When I say that Rosenbaum met his fate, I mean it all. I mean, IF (and I have zero idea of whether it is true, although I suspect it is) IF he was raped as a child, sexually abused, mistreated, then became a perpetrator himself, then ended up dead because he perpetrated an unprovoked aggressive attack on someone (Kyle), did he ever deserve all that?
I've been doing a LOT of work on inherited family trauma these days. I have found out that there was someone related to my close family by marriage who sexually abused a close relative when she was a child. I also found out that the perpetrator had been in the war, and had a painful difficult relationship with his wife, and they never conceived children.
To resolve that trauma, which I had inherited in some way, through my lineage, I had to go to a place of forgiveness. I had to release that perpetrator, while knowing that his suffering is what it is (can you really imagine the hell that such perpetrators find themselves in?), but not being attached to it myself.
Maybe Rosenbaum had a great childhood, was never abused, and somehow just became the sort of scum that violates young boys for whatever reason. I don't know.
Rosenbaum paid with his life for the attack he perpetrated on Kyle, and yes, the other judgment is his, too. And, the damage he inflicted on his victims is probably immeasurable, and something they may have to struggle with their whole lives to overcome. I pray that some will be free. But I also know that they will NOT be free if they hang on to the pain, resentment and anger that his actions forced upon them.
My point is, the most difficult thing in the world for many of us is to disconnected and separate from the cycle of evil that is in fact perpetrated. Sadly, many do not realize that by indulging in emotions like "I hope he rots in hell" or "haha. he is now sinking into hell with a millstone. Serves him right." they are simply supporting the continuance of the cycle of destruction and in fact, engaging in and becoming part of it.
There is a BIG difference between standing in the right, and, when its our responsibility, holding our fellow human beings to account, on one hand, and indulging in feelings of self-righteousness (even unconsciously) because we do not recognize the truth: every human being who has fallen into hell is a victim of Satan.
We ourselves CANNOT remove that judgment or suffering from them. It's self-inflicted. But unless we understand this point, its ridiculous to say that one loves or follows Christ, because Christ takes NO joy in a soul lost to hell, and indeed, laments over each and every one. It is right to have that heart, and it has nothing to do with (and does not mean in any sense) ignoring or simply forgiving sins.
I would agree with you. I'd also say that when we lash out at these pain-bringers, often it's done from a place of our own victimization at young ages. It takes time to see things from how God would have us see them. I also think that these doers of evil to children evoke in most of us indescribable hatred for their actions and especially our own impotence to stop the horrific evil that's so rampant. From my own reading, I believe that the more distance we put between God and our relationship to Him, the more of all of this evil we do and will see.
The millstone is a warning, not a punishment.
If you know anything about the reality of this sort of trauma, you know there is an exceedingly high probability that this poor soul himself was abused and traumatized as a child.
I guess its not a popular view around here, because so many anons seem to ready to judge, but that was another admonition from Christ: judge not, lest thou be judged (by the same standard).
We can ONLY end the cycle of trauma, tragedy and abuse that has infected our lineages for centuries and more, by terminating the cycle. That cannot happen via retribution, anger or hate.
Rosenbaum met his fate. Did he deserve it? I don't know his story. What I DO know is that in the case of abuse, child abuse, sexual abuse and child sexual abuse, it NEVER starts with the most recent incident.
Why do I raise this point? Because accountability will be required of us all. If you were frequently raped as a child, and abused consistently, throughout childhood, and you end up a criminal and multiplier of that abuse, are you the only one to blame?
Those of us who sit in judgment on such wretched damned souls may take emotional comfort or satisfaction in laying that judgment out and envisioning their torture, but what does that make us?
"To him who much has been given, much will be required"
Forgiveness is Freedom for those of us that were abused. Try it, let your higher authority be their Judge.
Thank you Saved. Indeed.
A very thoughtful comment.
Pretty sure it stops being a warning when the water goes over the head
hehehe.
Well, yeah. In case it wasn't clear, I'm saying Christ said this as a warning to all, not merely to pass judgment on others. Obviously, if you fail to heed the warning, you stand a very good chance of falling under the judgment.
We are called to be forgiving. However, we are a nation of laws and we are not supposed to victimize others, especially children. At the very least, these people should be locked away from others. We are not called to enable criminal behavior. God's people had laws and when the people did such things, they were meted out justice. That guy paid with his life here. He will receive another judgement as well.
I agree with all you say. At the LEAST such people should be locked away. yes.
When I say that Rosenbaum met his fate, I mean it all. I mean, IF (and I have zero idea of whether it is true, although I suspect it is) IF he was raped as a child, sexually abused, mistreated, then became a perpetrator himself, then ended up dead because he perpetrated an unprovoked aggressive attack on someone (Kyle), did he ever deserve all that?
I've been doing a LOT of work on inherited family trauma these days. I have found out that there was someone related to my close family by marriage who sexually abused a close relative when she was a child. I also found out that the perpetrator had been in the war, and had a painful difficult relationship with his wife, and they never conceived children.
To resolve that trauma, which I had inherited in some way, through my lineage, I had to go to a place of forgiveness. I had to release that perpetrator, while knowing that his suffering is what it is (can you really imagine the hell that such perpetrators find themselves in?), but not being attached to it myself.
Maybe Rosenbaum had a great childhood, was never abused, and somehow just became the sort of scum that violates young boys for whatever reason. I don't know.
Rosenbaum paid with his life for the attack he perpetrated on Kyle, and yes, the other judgment is his, too. And, the damage he inflicted on his victims is probably immeasurable, and something they may have to struggle with their whole lives to overcome. I pray that some will be free. But I also know that they will NOT be free if they hang on to the pain, resentment and anger that his actions forced upon them.
My point is, the most difficult thing in the world for many of us is to disconnected and separate from the cycle of evil that is in fact perpetrated. Sadly, many do not realize that by indulging in emotions like "I hope he rots in hell" or "haha. he is now sinking into hell with a millstone. Serves him right." they are simply supporting the continuance of the cycle of destruction and in fact, engaging in and becoming part of it.
There is a BIG difference between standing in the right, and, when its our responsibility, holding our fellow human beings to account, on one hand, and indulging in feelings of self-righteousness (even unconsciously) because we do not recognize the truth: every human being who has fallen into hell is a victim of Satan.
We ourselves CANNOT remove that judgment or suffering from them. It's self-inflicted. But unless we understand this point, its ridiculous to say that one loves or follows Christ, because Christ takes NO joy in a soul lost to hell, and indeed, laments over each and every one. It is right to have that heart, and it has nothing to do with (and does not mean in any sense) ignoring or simply forgiving sins.
Anyway, that's how I see it.
I would agree with you. I'd also say that when we lash out at these pain-bringers, often it's done from a place of our own victimization at young ages. It takes time to see things from how God would have us see them. I also think that these doers of evil to children evoke in most of us indescribable hatred for their actions and especially our own impotence to stop the horrific evil that's so rampant. From my own reading, I believe that the more distance we put between God and our relationship to Him, the more of all of this evil we do and will see.
I don't know the answer u/FractalizingIron... only God knows the hearts of men.
If some who abuse, were abused themselves, then I'm sorry for their pain.
I only know some continue the pattern of abuse and some break the pattern.
Nature versus Nurture? I pray for all.
God help us. Only he can.🙏