Aldrin is either showing his age or just pulling O'Brien's leg. Here's a link to the videotape of the Apollo 11 moon landing. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/original-recorded-footage-of-the-moon-landing-found-64226885969 Everybody around the world saw it on TV. No "simulation." They had closed-circuit cameras on the LEM and radioed the signal back to Earth. When they had landed, they posted a camera a distance away from the LEM so they could have that view handy. Those who think there were no cameras are basically too stupid to understand that there were cameras.
Since the last thread was full I'll just place my reply here. You don't have a clue what flat earthers even believe so why are you making so many assumptions? I don't actually know of any flat earthers who think there is an edge you can fall off of. That's something you are brainwashed to think flat earthers think. You didn't even have the courtesy of giving me any links to your proof.
Don't even bring biblical into this. You must not realize how many times 666 comes up in heliocentrism. Weird, the sun in the center, sounds like sun God apollo worshipers to me. The Bible is undoubtedly a flat earth book. Heliocentrism is all a religion because you just believe in something you cannot prove. Show me proof.
Your gas pressure explanation is a clear begging the question fallacy. You are assuming there is no container so therefore there must be no container. I'm telling you to show me one example other than earth of air pressure without a container.
If I "don't have a clue," it is because you are not telling me. I keep asking for your proof and you keep not having any. What assumptions? No edge? Is the Earth of infinite extent? You tell me. Is there a map? Is there a diameter? Is there a center? You have a theory with no content.
I have been careful not to mention the Bible, as it is irrelevant to the subject. Why do you mention it? Easy (now) to prove heliocentrism: measurement of stellar parallax proves that the Earth moves. The fact that all the other orbits are centered on the Sun is additional proof.
Oh. One example OTHER THAN THE EARTH. That wasn't part of your challenge. You have no intellectual integrity, cheating by changing the goal posts. How about Mars? Or Venus? Or Titan? I have no idea what this means for you. There is no difficulty measuring gas pressure anywhere.
I am tired of your sleazy approach. Cough it up. Tell us what your conception of a "flat earth" amounts to. Don't keep it a deep, dark secret and then accuse people of "making assumptions." If there is an assumption---and it is incorrect---spell out what it is and what the correct view is. But I don't think you can do that, either because you don't really have the information or because you do not have the necessary mental organization. Prove me wrong.
I'm telling you space is a violation of natural law, it's the only time ever that gas pressure doesn't require a container?. I guess it's OK to violate natural laws to you? I want to see your cited research papers or some videos proving this. Who did it where when and how was it done. Your side gets all the funding so it should be easy.
Your entire concept of flat earth is based off of a psyop (flat earth society).
I guess the closest map would either be the AE map or Gleason, but that isn't exactly made for flat earth. But if I'm being fair your globe model hasn't came close to an accurate map either.
Anything above where we can reach and beyond the shorelines of Antarctica is speculation. I know the last time someone tried to circumnavigate Antarctica it was captain Cook and it took him 3 years and an estimated 60-80 thousand miles.
That's larger than the equator. Which gets me to my next point, north is center and south is any direction away from center. West amd east navigation is done in circles just like on a globe, nobody has ever done north south circumnavigation though.
The sun is small and local same with the moon. Kinda why they look the same size in the sky. Eratosthenes little sticks and shadows experiment works exactly the same with a smaller local sun.
The only reason you say it doesn't because you heard some religious zealot say it so it must true because clearly you've never done the work yourself.
How big or far nobody knows. And we definitely don't believe planets the sun or the moon are terrafirma you can go. You've clearly never seen unedited photos/videos of planets. They don't look solid at all. They're just wandering stars.
You're the one that brought God up in this conversation so fuck off with that. I'm showing you proof that the devil has had his hands all over your model and he left his signature in your math.
You are all over the place. Space is simply there. The interplanetary medium is a very tenuous gas. The interstellar medium is even more tenuous. Why do you have such an ignorant view of what it is? Gas pressure existed without containers before containers were invented...but there was still gas pressure, on the Earth, on Venus, on Mars, and on Titan (to mention but a few places). I don't need to prove facts long in evidence. Read an encyclopedia.
I don't have a "concept" of a flat earth. I think it is an inherently incoherent idea. I am looking to you for explanation, but you have been very stingy. Now you seem to think the flat earth is like a phonograph record with the north pole at the hole and all the parallels of latitude in concentric circles. This runs into the problem that the real parallels of latitude have smaller diameters south of the equator, but your gramophone model would keep making them larger and larger. Distances don't work out at all. Airliners fly Great Circle routes between (e.g.) Buenos Aires and Cape Town. According to your gramophone Earth, they would have to fly in some other way different from a Great Circle and fly a greater distance. Airplanes are rather sensitive to matters of distance, and would run out of fuel if they were flying farther than they think they are. Not happening.
I don't think you can do the math to show that the Eratosthenes measurement works in your scheme, so don't make assertions you cannot prove. But no astronomical events would be properly represented. It is laughable anyway, because we now know the Sun to be 93 million miles distant by optical measurement. Does the Earth spin like a flipped coin? If it doesn't, then we would not be able to observe the entire sphere of the heavens (constellations) that we know can be observed.
No videos of Mars or photos of Venus? You just aren't looking, are you. We even have photos from probes that land on asteroids. Your education needs enhancement. Here are plenty of stock photos of Antarctica from space. Enjoy. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/antarctica-from-space.html
Aldrin is either showing his age or just pulling O'Brien's leg. Here's a link to the videotape of the Apollo 11 moon landing. https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/original-recorded-footage-of-the-moon-landing-found-64226885969 Everybody around the world saw it on TV. No "simulation." They had closed-circuit cameras on the LEM and radioed the signal back to Earth. When they had landed, they posted a camera a distance away from the LEM so they could have that view handy. Those who think there were no cameras are basically too stupid to understand that there were cameras.
Since the last thread was full I'll just place my reply here. You don't have a clue what flat earthers even believe so why are you making so many assumptions? I don't actually know of any flat earthers who think there is an edge you can fall off of. That's something you are brainwashed to think flat earthers think. You didn't even have the courtesy of giving me any links to your proof.
Don't even bring biblical into this. You must not realize how many times 666 comes up in heliocentrism. Weird, the sun in the center, sounds like sun God apollo worshipers to me. The Bible is undoubtedly a flat earth book. Heliocentrism is all a religion because you just believe in something you cannot prove. Show me proof.
Your gas pressure explanation is a clear begging the question fallacy. You are assuming there is no container so therefore there must be no container. I'm telling you to show me one example other than earth of air pressure without a container.
If I "don't have a clue," it is because you are not telling me. I keep asking for your proof and you keep not having any. What assumptions? No edge? Is the Earth of infinite extent? You tell me. Is there a map? Is there a diameter? Is there a center? You have a theory with no content.
I have been careful not to mention the Bible, as it is irrelevant to the subject. Why do you mention it? Easy (now) to prove heliocentrism: measurement of stellar parallax proves that the Earth moves. The fact that all the other orbits are centered on the Sun is additional proof.
Oh. One example OTHER THAN THE EARTH. That wasn't part of your challenge. You have no intellectual integrity, cheating by changing the goal posts. How about Mars? Or Venus? Or Titan? I have no idea what this means for you. There is no difficulty measuring gas pressure anywhere.
I am tired of your sleazy approach. Cough it up. Tell us what your conception of a "flat earth" amounts to. Don't keep it a deep, dark secret and then accuse people of "making assumptions." If there is an assumption---and it is incorrect---spell out what it is and what the correct view is. But I don't think you can do that, either because you don't really have the information or because you do not have the necessary mental organization. Prove me wrong.
I'm telling you space is a violation of natural law, it's the only time ever that gas pressure doesn't require a container?. I guess it's OK to violate natural laws to you? I want to see your cited research papers or some videos proving this. Who did it where when and how was it done. Your side gets all the funding so it should be easy.
Your entire concept of flat earth is based off of a psyop (flat earth society).
I guess the closest map would either be the AE map or Gleason, but that isn't exactly made for flat earth. But if I'm being fair your globe model hasn't came close to an accurate map either.
Anything above where we can reach and beyond the shorelines of Antarctica is speculation. I know the last time someone tried to circumnavigate Antarctica it was captain Cook and it took him 3 years and an estimated 60-80 thousand miles.
That's larger than the equator. Which gets me to my next point, north is center and south is any direction away from center. West amd east navigation is done in circles just like on a globe, nobody has ever done north south circumnavigation though.
The sun is small and local same with the moon. Kinda why they look the same size in the sky. Eratosthenes little sticks and shadows experiment works exactly the same with a smaller local sun. The only reason you say it doesn't because you heard some religious zealot say it so it must true because clearly you've never done the work yourself. How big or far nobody knows. And we definitely don't believe planets the sun or the moon are terrafirma you can go. You've clearly never seen unedited photos/videos of planets. They don't look solid at all. They're just wandering stars.
You're the one that brought God up in this conversation so fuck off with that. I'm showing you proof that the devil has had his hands all over your model and he left his signature in your math.
You are all over the place. Space is simply there. The interplanetary medium is a very tenuous gas. The interstellar medium is even more tenuous. Why do you have such an ignorant view of what it is? Gas pressure existed without containers before containers were invented...but there was still gas pressure, on the Earth, on Venus, on Mars, and on Titan (to mention but a few places). I don't need to prove facts long in evidence. Read an encyclopedia.
I don't have a "concept" of a flat earth. I think it is an inherently incoherent idea. I am looking to you for explanation, but you have been very stingy. Now you seem to think the flat earth is like a phonograph record with the north pole at the hole and all the parallels of latitude in concentric circles. This runs into the problem that the real parallels of latitude have smaller diameters south of the equator, but your gramophone model would keep making them larger and larger. Distances don't work out at all. Airliners fly Great Circle routes between (e.g.) Buenos Aires and Cape Town. According to your gramophone Earth, they would have to fly in some other way different from a Great Circle and fly a greater distance. Airplanes are rather sensitive to matters of distance, and would run out of fuel if they were flying farther than they think they are. Not happening.
I don't think you can do the math to show that the Eratosthenes measurement works in your scheme, so don't make assertions you cannot prove. But no astronomical events would be properly represented. It is laughable anyway, because we now know the Sun to be 93 million miles distant by optical measurement. Does the Earth spin like a flipped coin? If it doesn't, then we would not be able to observe the entire sphere of the heavens (constellations) that we know can be observed.
No videos of Mars or photos of Venus? You just aren't looking, are you. We even have photos from probes that land on asteroids. Your education needs enhancement. Here are plenty of stock photos of Antarctica from space. Enjoy. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/antarctica-from-space.html