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You're going to tell me I've never personally watched a ship go "over the horizon", take out my 60x spotting scope, and was able to completely bring the ship back into view? I have 15 years experience of working on the ocean. I know damn well that ships don't go over a physical horizon. You clearly have never done any actual experimentation of your own. And the picture I mention, the black swan, shows a horizon that's way too far even with your refraction. Like way too far. For the last time, the horizon has absolutely nothing to do with earth curve. Please look up the definition of horizon and tell me where it mentions earth curve. It's freaking perspective. It's how your eyes work. Ever been in a long Vegas hotel hallway and at the very end of the hallway it looks like the floor is almost touching the ceiling? Same thing but on a different scale. And if you put your head to the floor and had someone walk away, guess what, they dissappear from the feet up just like they were going over a curve, but the floor is nice and flat and level. It's pretty simple really. Math problems are only gonna get you so far, you need to do some actual experimentation based off actual observations not what you expect to see. Many long distance laser tests have shown zero curvature. Navy ships using line of sight laser targeting systems can pinpoint ships over 100 miles away. How is that possible when there should be a bulge that's 1.2 miles high between them? Like I said, military ALWAYS assumes a flat non rotating surface when firing artillery. I can pull up a presentation where the artillery guy goes over the documents stating that. It's cleverly put in the handbook but it's never used.
Yeah I'm saying you don't understand basic shit like perspective. You clearly don't watch videos because it might challenge your belief system. You're wrong about everything. And you've given me absolutely zero proof. I'm telling you things appear to disappear from the bottom up because of perspective not earth curve. You can watch a boat go "over the horizon " then zoom back in on it with a camera and bring the whole thing back into focus. Cameras can't zoom over something physically blocking your sight. If you had watched the whole video he would have showed you plenty explaining that to you and showing examples. Also the black swan photo which is a picture taken from an observer height of 1 foot and the horizon is roughly 19 miles away, it should be 3 miles from that height. Every amateur rocket not using a gopro shows a flat level horizon that rises to eye level. Impossible on a ball, because if you were up 70,000 ft the drop of the earth at the horizon should be about 150,000 feet below you. The horizon would be noticeably lower, but it always rises to eye level. There is a difference between intelligence and memorizing what you read in a Rockefeller funded textbook and I believe we are seeing that difference right now. Have a good rest of your life because clearly you're too far brainwashed to get this.
Its clear you'll never be able to see the truth. And instead of doing actual research into the matter you're going to base your entire flat earth experience off of what I've told you which is quite ignorant of you.
And just so you know, horizon is not earth curve. Idk where you keep getting that from. Literally nobody debates that fact anymore.
I need you to try casting a perfectly crisp eclipse like we see using 2 or 3 different sized balls. You'll soon realize that in order to get an eclipse to work like what we see the object casting the shadow needs to have a flat edge. Flat earthers don't have all the answers to everything, a lot we are still researching and figuring out. We don't get 63 million dollars a day like nasa, we have to use our own money to conduct our own experiments. And it isn't exactly legal to be shooting off rockets or go adventuring to Antarctica all willy-nilly like. We are completely ok with saying "I don't know" because it's better than lying.
Yeah nasa graphics designer Robert Simmon is on film admitting that it's all photoshop because it has to be. He gets strips of Data and has to create an image to closely match what people think it looks like. Yeah I'm telling you your photo reproduction of the lunar lander is fake.
The sun set works just fine. If you want to know more about it it's going to take more than a skip through a video. Took me weeks of research before I realized they were actually onto something. The sun isn't a ball of gas 93 million miles away, it's small local, and appears to be projected from outside the firmament. It's not gas, it seems to be more electric in nature. I'm assuming it's why the sky is blue, the electric nature of the sun excites nitrogen causing it to shine blue like the sky. It can only push so far.
You're under the impression light goes infinitely, it does not. There's a such thing as the inverse square law of light. And the atmos becomes opaque over long distances, and that varies depending on the weather conditions. Its like stacking a thousand panes of glass up. You can see through a few just fine but you couldn't shine a light through all 1000.
We can also scientifically prove that the distances at which your side says these stars are, would be impossible to see due to its angular size being so small. Even if light went these insane distances, it would be so tiny by the time it got here you literally couldn't see even the closest star.
There's a lot of holes in the heliocentric model that don't line-up with our actual observations. The globe brainwashing started when we were children. It's one of the first homework assignments you bring home from school, and have you never heard the whole "there is a globe in every, single, movie" thing? It's in movies and cartoons and every single thing we watch. It's not that people are lying, it's just everyone has been fooled.
Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself. (He's from Aberdeen)
Nasa even admits that they have no photographs. They are all images. No real unedited photographs. Idk how many times you need to be told that. Sunrise and sunsets work perfectly on a flat earth.
Did you even watch the video? You sound like a liberal cuck complaining about antivaxxers. Sorry I don't blindly believe people in power without them showing me proof. Same goes for a shit for brains on the internet bragging about his credentials lmao.
You actually have zero proof. Zero. You have cartoons. And that is all you've shown me. You haven't cited one single research paper. You just say space! And gravity! And what about all the other planets. You haven't given me one single citation other than a link to some cgi images of Antarctica from space, an imaginary place that doesn't exist. You seriously can't tell the difference between cgi and real?
Watching that video is going to be 100 times easier to understand because I know you've already got this image of flat earth in your head and it's wrong.
Watch the video for crying out loud. It explains it all. You're just being willfully ignorant at this point. I just pointed you down the correct flat earth rabbit hole
You haven't cited one single research paper for me. You should have allllll the proofs.
There's the general run down. He shows what we can prove and makes sure to say what is speculation.
Flat earthers can actually admit when they don't know. They're all about truth and 100% of them are awake to the bullshit going on around us.
If that doesn't satisfy you then watch some NathanOakley1980 on YouTube. He has a pretty good panel of people who are pretty smart and they are always taking apart the globe. Thousands of videos to choose from. Also look up GlobeBusters. There are tons of creators and flat earthers. Just searching flat earth is a good way to never be fed legit flat earth info.
The ignorance in every single one of your comments is astonishing. You know absolutely nothing about flat earth or what they claim but you want to sit here and say it's impossible. How the fuck would you know? Your whole excuse for every fucking thing is gravity. Which has never been proven to even exist.
Have you been to space to confirm every thing you've been told? Nope. How many times does nasa have to be caught lying and faking things before you can admit to at least that? My guess is you'll be a globetard forever because of your cognitive dissonance. I'd give you videos to watch but as you said before they aren't worth your time. You don't even want to know what it is flat earthers actually think. You've proven your ignorance with every single preprogrammed glober response there is.
As for one of the challenger astronauts here ya go. There is a photo of all the ones they've found at different universities using the same names and everything. Finding videos of this is extremely difficult. Everything flat earth is censored like crazy. You get shit and paid shills like professor Dave or scimandan. They're the first ones on YouTube when you search flat earth for a reason.
I can't believe you're on a truth board and you blindly believe the government without any question at all.
The good things in life don't come easy. Fighting for our freedom will not come without casualties, but luckily we have switched from conventional warfare to an information war.
The whole biological warfare thing isn't anything new, every hundred years or so there is a major worldwide disease. Whose to say they weren't behind those either? The winners write the history books after all. And public school books have been Rockefeller funded since about the 1920s. The Collier encyclopedia is also Rockefeller funded.
You're hopelessly brainwashed. You're really good at memorizing and regurgitating Rockefeller funded textbook nonsense. The math works out the same If the sun is 300 times closer and 300 times smaller. Seasons and the star patterns make 100% sense on the flat earth. Your ball is where we have trouble making things work.
I'm sorry but I don't accept cgi as acceptable proof. Why can't nasa just give us an actual photograph. You cannot find me a single unedited photograph from space. I promise you that. Actually the one they say is real is from the 1969 moon mission, which was terribly faked, so that means there isn't a single one thats real.
Have you seen the press conference when they returned? They couldn't keep their stories straight and they looked as depressed as someone who just had their dog killed in front of them. They were being forced to lie. They probably honestly thought they were going to space but come to find out it was a joke. It's why they all have Hollywood stars, they're actors, not real spaceman. All the people from the Challenger mission are still alive. They have been managed to be found working at universities using the same name. But the "official" story is they all have twins, but none of the twins showed up to their brothers or sisters funeral kinda fuckung weird isn't it. Nasa gets 63 million dollars a day to find ways to fool you.
Nasa even admits they have a graphic artist who gets strips of Data and then they have to create the images based on data. It's all photoshopped and cgi.
I'm telling you space is a violation of natural law, it's the only time ever that gas pressure doesn't require a container?. I guess it's OK to violate natural laws to you? I want to see your cited research papers or some videos proving this. Who did it where when and how was it done. Your side gets all the funding so it should be easy.
Your entire concept of flat earth is based off of a psyop (flat earth society).
I guess the closest map would either be the AE map or Gleason, but that isn't exactly made for flat earth. But if I'm being fair your globe model hasn't came close to an accurate map either.
Anything above where we can reach and beyond the shorelines of Antarctica is speculation. I know the last time someone tried to circumnavigate Antarctica it was captain Cook and it took him 3 years and an estimated 60-80 thousand miles.
That's larger than the equator. Which gets me to my next point, north is center and south is any direction away from center. West amd east navigation is done in circles just like on a globe, nobody has ever done north south circumnavigation though.
The sun is small and local same with the moon. Kinda why they look the same size in the sky. Eratosthenes little sticks and shadows experiment works exactly the same with a smaller local sun.
The only reason you say it doesn't because you heard some religious zealot say it so it must true because clearly you've never done the work yourself.
How big or far nobody knows. And we definitely don't believe planets the sun or the moon are terrafirma you can go. You've clearly never seen unedited photos/videos of planets. They don't look solid at all. They're just wandering stars.
You're the one that brought God up in this conversation so fuck off with that. I'm showing you proof that the devil has had his hands all over your model and he left his signature in your math.
Since the last thread was full I'll just place my reply here. You don't have a clue what flat earthers even believe so why are you making so many assumptions? I don't actually know of any flat earthers who think there is an edge you can fall off of. That's something you are brainwashed to think flat earthers think. You didn't even have the courtesy of giving me any links to your proof.
Don't even bring biblical into this. You must not realize how many times 666 comes up in heliocentrism. Weird, the sun in the center, sounds like sun God apollo worshipers to me. The Bible is undoubtedly a flat earth book. Heliocentrism is all a religion because you just believe in something you cannot prove. Show me proof.
Your gas pressure explanation is a clear begging the question fallacy. You are assuming there is no container so therefore there must be no container. I'm telling you to show me one example other than earth of air pressure without a container.
I'm sorry but your earth model necessitates a geometric horizon of no more than 1.22 times the square root of the observers height in feet. That is plenty accurate enough for local measurements. Guess what, horizon isn't geometric. It's an apparent location. Your model requires a geometric horizon.
Still haven't given me evidence. You' might be the most retarded globe yet.
The fact that you have zero proof of curvature I would say proves we live on a relatively flat topographical plane. The fact that I can see entirely way too far. The fact that boats in your southern hemisphere still have to correct to the north when traveling east and west. How about the fact that when military shoots artillery they assume a flat non rotating plane when calculating their shots because lives are on the line and if they relied on ball math people would die.
Here is a playlist of quite a few curvature killers.
You clearly don't get the point. And you clearly don't know the biblical implications of fucking with DNA. Playing God is playing God. Not going to turn out good.
Perspective is why boats disappear from the bottom up. Ever heard of the angular resolution limits of your eyes?
Every single photo from high altitudes with a normal lens camera shows a flat level horizon at eye level. Have you heard of the black swan? It also destroys the curvature.
Where do you get your straight line for the use of the sextant? The sextant is an angle measuring device and you don't have a flat baseline when measuring on a ball.
If you seriously think you have proof of a globe you should take this guy's 3 bitcoin challenge.
You must think flat earthers actually think what the flat earth society thinks. Not one actual flat earther thinks that. Even they find it retarded. The flat earth society is a legit psyop designed to discredit flat earth and make it look retarded. Flat earthers can't give you all the answers you want because they don't gain grants and funding for research like globetards do.
Pesticides are meant to kill you too. You're the pest dumbass.
You're being retarded. The vaccine was never meant to help anyone and you know that. GMOs are absolutely terrible as well. Messing with genetics is a good way to piss off the creator.
I guess if the dumb ones want to risk it they can. But I think its our job to stand strong and oppose viciously and show people the truth whether they like it or not. The fact that this jab is even a thing is a serious problem all in of itself. It should not have ever even been an option to begin with. Should have been thrown out with the trash long before it made it to the kitchen table. I'm not ok with watching people meet their demise just because they're ignorant.
The entire concept of money just keeps the world in a slave state. It will always cause greed and corruption in the long run, and evil people will always use it against good natured people.
South coast Oregon/cascades is by far the most beautiful portion. Lived here my whole life.