Feds = 120k. State and local = 800k. Let's round up to a nice even One million...
Military equipment for LEO is things like Bearcats, MRAPS, and other ground equipment. They do have helicopters and some airplanes but these aren't attack aircraft. They don't have fire control systems to fire rockets or drop bombs. At BEST air firepower would be some idiot hanging out a door with a belt fed 7.62 or using a Barret 50 cal. Not useless but far from "airpower" in military terms.
Now let's look at the other side. Civilians have those very same Barret 50 cal rifles, and while hitting a helicopter is actually pretty hard with the aid of tracer rounds its VERY possible and it don't take many hits with a round that big to make a helicopter simply fall out of the sky. Most non-military aircraft are actually very fragile.
Shantui was the largest producer of bulldozers, making over 10,000 units that year or two in five crawler-type dozers made in the world.
So 25k per year? In other words world wide there are millions of bulldozers. So many in fact in a heavily industrialized country like the USA that civilians could lose 2-3 for every Bearcat they destroyed and still have more left over. Hell there is an old Bulldozer just sitting around on my family farm collecting rust right now. I bet it wouldn't take a small team of mechanics a few days to get it running.
Civilians have more than enough guns and they have manpower, but how much man power??? Some people say 50 million. Many use hunting licenses which is like 70 million. I won't over inflate the numbers. The TRUTH is there are probibly 20 million young able bodied men that could really fight and maybe another 10 million that could easily act in support roles.
So let's just assume the police 100% support the government, the military stays 100% neutral, then the civilians and the the police fight it out.
You seriously believe 5 million+ vets with combat experience and 15 million weekend warriors plus 10 million support personnel can be defeated by 1 maybe 1.5 million government stooges? Remember civilians own or can take control of helicopters as well. They have all the same weapons. They can make armored vehicles. You have any idea what a bulldozzer would do to a bearcat??? Toss it around like its nothing. Sure the bearcat/MRAP can run away faster, but that's not how you win fights.
Let's face facts... critical mass is maybe 3 million armed civilians going full 1776. Law enforcement would be out-maned and outgunned completely. Without military assets... JDAMs dropped from jets, artillery, mortars, belt fed machine guns etc etc they wouldn't last even a few weeks.
Now we're back to if the military is willing to drop JDAMs on civilians on US soil. Not just any civilians but US citizens... the very people they took an oath to protect and defend.
You are deluding yourself if you believe the police have the power to overcome a mass uprising of armed US civilians. Hell ITS ALREADY HAPPENED. Look up the "bundy ranch standoff". Forget the spin. Forget that after the fact they tried mostly unsuccessfully to charge people with crimes. Look at the actual standoff. Look at the raw footage. FIFTY heavily armed federal agents ran away with their tails between their legs. They were going to get slaughtered and they knew it. So they ran away.
Why? Because hundreds of people showed up armed to the teeth and if one shot had been fired it wouldn't have been an hour and twice as many as they could see would have shown up to help. But those feds had zero backup. They were fucking toast on a stick and they knew it. But law enforcement is more powerful than We The People. Get a grip.
The ONLY issue is are enough people angry enough to pick up a weapon. Look around you. All I see is anger everywhere. When shit kicks off half those LEO will drop their weapons and bail. Just look at what happened in Hurricane Katrina. When the shit hit the fan all the LEOs bailed. Trust me... when they start hearing reports on a radio of 20 dead officers, 30 wounded, hundreds of shooters... full on revolt... They took the city hall or whatever pissy little thing they were fighting over... the civilians are in control and more are on the way. Those LEOs will bail so fast it will make everyone's head spin.
Police aren't jack shit. They only win because they fight 30 vs 1. When its 50 vs 2k they will get steam rolled like the punks they really are.
The police and either the national guard or reserves went around confiscating firearms from the people after Katrina.
For the Waco siege, didn't the police/ATF/FBI "borrow" heavy arms from the national guard, including proper explosives? They burned children alive. That's who is on the other side of the line.
I don't think you comprehend the raw numbers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#Police_population
Feds = 120k. State and local = 800k. Let's round up to a nice even One million...
Military equipment for LEO is things like Bearcats, MRAPS, and other ground equipment. They do have helicopters and some airplanes but these aren't attack aircraft. They don't have fire control systems to fire rockets or drop bombs. At BEST air firepower would be some idiot hanging out a door with a belt fed 7.62 or using a Barret 50 cal. Not useless but far from "airpower" in military terms.
Now let's look at the other side. Civilians have those very same Barret 50 cal rifles, and while hitting a helicopter is actually pretty hard with the aid of tracer rounds its VERY possible and it don't take many hits with a round that big to make a helicopter simply fall out of the sky. Most non-military aircraft are actually very fragile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldozer#Manufacturers
So 25k per year? In other words world wide there are millions of bulldozers. So many in fact in a heavily industrialized country like the USA that civilians could lose 2-3 for every Bearcat they destroyed and still have more left over. Hell there is an old Bulldozer just sitting around on my family farm collecting rust right now. I bet it wouldn't take a small team of mechanics a few days to get it running.
Civilians have more than enough guns and they have manpower, but how much man power??? Some people say 50 million. Many use hunting licenses which is like 70 million. I won't over inflate the numbers. The TRUTH is there are probibly 20 million young able bodied men that could really fight and maybe another 10 million that could easily act in support roles.
So let's just assume the police 100% support the government, the military stays 100% neutral, then the civilians and the the police fight it out.
You seriously believe 5 million+ vets with combat experience and 15 million weekend warriors plus 10 million support personnel can be defeated by 1 maybe 1.5 million government stooges? Remember civilians own or can take control of helicopters as well. They have all the same weapons. They can make armored vehicles. You have any idea what a bulldozzer would do to a bearcat??? Toss it around like its nothing. Sure the bearcat/MRAP can run away faster, but that's not how you win fights.
Let's face facts... critical mass is maybe 3 million armed civilians going full 1776. Law enforcement would be out-maned and outgunned completely. Without military assets... JDAMs dropped from jets, artillery, mortars, belt fed machine guns etc etc they wouldn't last even a few weeks.
Now we're back to if the military is willing to drop JDAMs on civilians on US soil. Not just any civilians but US citizens... the very people they took an oath to protect and defend.
You are deluding yourself if you believe the police have the power to overcome a mass uprising of armed US civilians. Hell ITS ALREADY HAPPENED. Look up the "bundy ranch standoff". Forget the spin. Forget that after the fact they tried mostly unsuccessfully to charge people with crimes. Look at the actual standoff. Look at the raw footage. FIFTY heavily armed federal agents ran away with their tails between their legs. They were going to get slaughtered and they knew it. So they ran away.
Why? Because hundreds of people showed up armed to the teeth and if one shot had been fired it wouldn't have been an hour and twice as many as they could see would have shown up to help. But those feds had zero backup. They were fucking toast on a stick and they knew it. But law enforcement is more powerful than We The People. Get a grip.
The ONLY issue is are enough people angry enough to pick up a weapon. Look around you. All I see is anger everywhere. When shit kicks off half those LEO will drop their weapons and bail. Just look at what happened in Hurricane Katrina. When the shit hit the fan all the LEOs bailed. Trust me... when they start hearing reports on a radio of 20 dead officers, 30 wounded, hundreds of shooters... full on revolt... They took the city hall or whatever pissy little thing they were fighting over... the civilians are in control and more are on the way. Those LEOs will bail so fast it will make everyone's head spin.
Police aren't jack shit. They only win because they fight 30 vs 1. When its 50 vs 2k they will get steam rolled like the punks they really are.
Read this... its a pretty funny read TBH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
The police and either the national guard or reserves went around confiscating firearms from the people after Katrina.
For the Waco siege, didn't the police/ATF/FBI "borrow" heavy arms from the national guard, including proper explosives? They burned children alive. That's who is on the other side of the line.