Well,, I can confirm they are in that business and have been for decades. The longer you can keep someone in the hospital they more you can bill. An ICU stay can and does cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and the longer they keep you you're just a cash cow they milk. Doctors are cowards and won't stand up to administration. The ones who did were terminated like a ER doc friend of mine who's been an ER doc for over 35 years. He said fuck you to the jab and even with all the time in and dedication to that hospital they said you're fired! This is why they're purging good healthcare workers from doctors and nurses to techs and IT and billing people. They want a sheep class they can fully control and who won't question anything. Oh, this goes for the police too.
And not only do the hospitals milk patients legally, if my experience is any indication, they milk patients fraudulently as well. My wife had her appendix out, and I was with her the whole time (except in the operation room). I knew all the treatments she received. When the bill came, to be covered by insurance, I noticed many, many, items they included, which she didn't get. I went to the hospital to complain, and they casually corrected the bill. What this means is that they likely do this to ALL patients, but most would just let their insurance pay without question. What made me mad is when I called the insurance company to report this, they didn't care. It's all just a huge racket!
I will say a lot of the time it's because of sloppy documentation but that's no excuse! Also watch for doctors who have ZERO to do with a case visit a patient post OP. Like a podiatrist pops in to see how you're doing and how do your feet feel (feet, I had a LAP colonoscopy ) and that doc will drop a consult fee on the chart. Seriously it happens all the time and people just don't even question it! My father had a simple appendectomy and we found like 3 docs who were not affiliated with the case on his bill as consults that he never authorized to consult him! He complained and they removed the consult fees no questions asked! Hospital billing is horrible and people are getting way over charged all the time for materials that were never used specially meds!
Another common thing is for some doctor to just step inside an operating room, and then leave, and then a patient gets charged $500 or more as an "attending physician" for them. So many crooked things they do!
Yup! They do! If you're a GI doc you can walk into any room you want even if you're not the attending or consulting physician and say the patient had eye surgery which is totally unrelated to you being a GI doc and say "Hi Mr.Smith, I'm doctor Jones and was just seeing how you're doing this morning?" and say Oh I'm feeling good right now, "hows your stomach after surgery anything feel upset?" Nope! All good! "OK then Mr.Smith have a great day!" BOOM!!!! Consult fee of $55.00 dropped!
There was a company in Illinois call Medical Bill Auditors (MBA,inc) and as a small company drew a lot of “attention” in the media for correcting the $75.00 Tylenol pill charges and so forth. Back in the day the insured got 50% of the Savings up to $1000 +/-.. The Hospital Association put such pressure on this business that they ended up closing.
Then we need to gather those healthcare workers being fired by Establishment entities and form a healthcare entity that works for the good. Enterprising minds, I'm sure, can determine how to make them profit or keep them funded if non-profit.
I think that is going to be the next evolution of the healthcare industry. This all started when mega healthcare systems started buying up community hospitals in the late 90's. Now in almost all area's your choice is say 4 different hospitals but they're all owned by the SAME healthcare company so your choice of providers is a total illusion. We need to go back to the community hospital concept which created competition,better quality of care, and lower prices.
Perhaps a membership subscription service, with real benefits included besides just emergency and preventive healthcare to entice the young and healthy to join, such as the use of gyms and pools, and included or reduced price health food restaurants/shops. You would be a member of your community hospital instead of paying into health insurance. Hospitals could have sharing agreements for member care when the are not near their home hospital. It might be similar to current insurance in network and out of network costs to the patient.
I think you are right. The only thing is that I think the community hospitals were bought up in the first place because they were having trouble staying afloat on their own. Some way would have to be found to keep them funded and innovative. This would be hard to do under a public funding system as such tend to become very beaurocratic and onerous. Funding by selling shares means accountability to the shareholders who would want a return for their support, which means a way would need to be found to earn a healthy profit while maintaining integrity and service to all patients.
I totally agree. When I graduated HS in the 80's I remember the police trying to recruit people but they were not aiming for the upper or even middle of the graduating class, they were recruiting the the bottom 10%. They wanted these people. The Army and Marines did the same. They wanted drones who took orders who didn't think for themselves.
Well,, I can confirm they are in that business and have been for decades. The longer you can keep someone in the hospital they more you can bill. An ICU stay can and does cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and the longer they keep you you're just a cash cow they milk. Doctors are cowards and won't stand up to administration. The ones who did were terminated like a ER doc friend of mine who's been an ER doc for over 35 years. He said fuck you to the jab and even with all the time in and dedication to that hospital they said you're fired! This is why they're purging good healthcare workers from doctors and nurses to techs and IT and billing people. They want a sheep class they can fully control and who won't question anything. Oh, this goes for the police too.
And not only do the hospitals milk patients legally, if my experience is any indication, they milk patients fraudulently as well. My wife had her appendix out, and I was with her the whole time (except in the operation room). I knew all the treatments she received. When the bill came, to be covered by insurance, I noticed many, many, items they included, which she didn't get. I went to the hospital to complain, and they casually corrected the bill. What this means is that they likely do this to ALL patients, but most would just let their insurance pay without question. What made me mad is when I called the insurance company to report this, they didn't care. It's all just a huge racket!
I will say a lot of the time it's because of sloppy documentation but that's no excuse! Also watch for doctors who have ZERO to do with a case visit a patient post OP. Like a podiatrist pops in to see how you're doing and how do your feet feel (feet, I had a LAP colonoscopy ) and that doc will drop a consult fee on the chart. Seriously it happens all the time and people just don't even question it! My father had a simple appendectomy and we found like 3 docs who were not affiliated with the case on his bill as consults that he never authorized to consult him! He complained and they removed the consult fees no questions asked! Hospital billing is horrible and people are getting way over charged all the time for materials that were never used specially meds!
Another common thing is for some doctor to just step inside an operating room, and then leave, and then a patient gets charged $500 or more as an "attending physician" for them. So many crooked things they do!
Yup! They do! If you're a GI doc you can walk into any room you want even if you're not the attending or consulting physician and say the patient had eye surgery which is totally unrelated to you being a GI doc and say "Hi Mr.Smith, I'm doctor Jones and was just seeing how you're doing this morning?" and say Oh I'm feeling good right now, "hows your stomach after surgery anything feel upset?" Nope! All good! "OK then Mr.Smith have a great day!" BOOM!!!! Consult fee of $55.00 dropped!
There was a company in Illinois call Medical Bill Auditors (MBA,inc) and as a small company drew a lot of “attention” in the media for correcting the $75.00 Tylenol pill charges and so forth. Back in the day the insured got 50% of the Savings up to $1000 +/-.. The Hospital Association put such pressure on this business that they ended up closing.
Then we need to gather those healthcare workers being fired by Establishment entities and form a healthcare entity that works for the good. Enterprising minds, I'm sure, can determine how to make them profit or keep them funded if non-profit.
I think that is going to be the next evolution of the healthcare industry. This all started when mega healthcare systems started buying up community hospitals in the late 90's. Now in almost all area's your choice is say 4 different hospitals but they're all owned by the SAME healthcare company so your choice of providers is a total illusion. We need to go back to the community hospital concept which created competition,better quality of care, and lower prices.
Perhaps a membership subscription service, with real benefits included besides just emergency and preventive healthcare to entice the young and healthy to join, such as the use of gyms and pools, and included or reduced price health food restaurants/shops. You would be a member of your community hospital instead of paying into health insurance. Hospitals could have sharing agreements for member care when the are not near their home hospital. It might be similar to current insurance in network and out of network costs to the patient.
I think you are right. The only thing is that I think the community hospitals were bought up in the first place because they were having trouble staying afloat on their own. Some way would have to be found to keep them funded and innovative. This would be hard to do under a public funding system as such tend to become very beaurocratic and onerous. Funding by selling shares means accountability to the shareholders who would want a return for their support, which means a way would need to be found to earn a healthy profit while maintaining integrity and service to all patients.
The police have long been compromised. Look at the bullshit they do here, nevermind the rest of the world.
I totally agree. When I graduated HS in the 80's I remember the police trying to recruit people but they were not aiming for the upper or even middle of the graduating class, they were recruiting the the bottom 10%. They wanted these people. The Army and Marines did the same. They wanted drones who took orders who didn't think for themselves.