This is what i'm referring to when I say that I'm looking at this holistically. There's the morality and then there's the pragmatic reality. I understand your perspective, but it's a moral perspective, not a pragmatic one. If Roe V Wade is overturned, we can't just say "great, let's make it illegal and eff anyone that tries to get an abortion".
We can and we should just make it illegal. People still committing murder isn't an excuse to not make murder illegal. The same goes for murdering unborn children.
In fact, it's expected. If something isn't a crime and people do it, once you make it a crime the rate of people committing that crime goes up. Though the point is that, in the beginning, some people will now not do it, thus reducing the rate at which it happens overall. As time goes on and people are raised understanding that it's a crime and immoral thing to do, it should drop off even more to where it's a much, much smaller issue than it used to be. There are always people who will do bad things and/or break the law, that doesn't mean you just say "fuck it" and toss all the laws out. The point of laws isn't only to prevent people from doing something bad, it's also to punish the people who inevitably do.
Also, you didn't answer my question; Is murder being illegal a state issue as well?
You don't seem to understand. I'm not disagreeing with your moral stance.
But self-righteousness and ignoring the problem is neither helpful nor moral. It doesn't help the problem that will inevitably still exist and it doesn't make you a good person.
Banning murder is a good thing. Banning abortion is a good thing. You don't not ban murder/abortion because there will be issues, you ban it and then work out the issues after. Anything else is itself immoral.
If we never made any changes without first ensuring that everything regarding the situation was perfect society would be completely stagnant. Not only because everyone would give up when they realize it'll never be perfect, but also because we're basing change on an unrealistic expectation of perfection that isn't possible nor attainable.
Bob, you do understand that everything in my original comment is predicated on the idea that there are states that are going to make abortion illegal if Roe V Wade is overturned, right? Right?
Please re-read my post carefully. At no point did I ever say we shouldn't make abortion illegal.
This is what i'm referring to when I say that I'm looking at this holistically. There's the morality and then there's the pragmatic reality. I understand your perspective, but it's a moral perspective, not a pragmatic one. If Roe V Wade is overturned, we can't just say "great, let's make it illegal and eff anyone that tries to get an abortion".
That's not a moral nor Christian outlook.
We can and we should just make it illegal. People still committing murder isn't an excuse to not make murder illegal. The same goes for murdering unborn children.
In fact, it's expected. If something isn't a crime and people do it, once you make it a crime the rate of people committing that crime goes up. Though the point is that, in the beginning, some people will now not do it, thus reducing the rate at which it happens overall. As time goes on and people are raised understanding that it's a crime and immoral thing to do, it should drop off even more to where it's a much, much smaller issue than it used to be. There are always people who will do bad things and/or break the law, that doesn't mean you just say "fuck it" and toss all the laws out. The point of laws isn't only to prevent people from doing something bad, it's also to punish the people who inevitably do.
Also, you didn't answer my question; Is murder being illegal a state issue as well?
You don't seem to understand. I'm not disagreeing with your moral stance.
But self-righteousness and ignoring the problem is neither helpful nor moral. It doesn't help the problem that will inevitably still exist and it doesn't make you a good person.
Banning murder is a good thing. Banning abortion is a good thing. You don't not ban murder/abortion because there will be issues, you ban it and then work out the issues after. Anything else is itself immoral.
If we never made any changes without first ensuring that everything regarding the situation was perfect society would be completely stagnant. Not only because everyone would give up when they realize it'll never be perfect, but also because we're basing change on an unrealistic expectation of perfection that isn't possible nor attainable.
Bob, you do understand that everything in my original comment is predicated on the idea that there are states that are going to make abortion illegal if Roe V Wade is overturned, right? Right?
Please re-read my post carefully. At no point did I ever say we shouldn't make abortion illegal.