I try to look at this issue as holistically as I can, in that beyond the basic morality (or lack of), how it will impact American society, human behaviors and practical implications of a ruling change.
I've read the Constitution many times. I'm not in the legal field, but in my opinion, there's nothing in the Constitution inferred or otherwise that makes abortion a "right". I'm sure I'll get no disagreements on that here.
I'm a Federalist at heart and ideally the subject of abortion is something that each individual state should be in control of. It has no business being a federal issue (along with many, many other things).
What I'm getting at in an extremely round about way is that if Roe vs Wade is overturned, I hope people are ready to not only do some serious contemplation, but to help as well. If your state outlaws abortion, it doesn't make the problem go away. For every white feminist commie that proudly tells social media about how wonderful her latest abortion was, there's some 16 year old girl who has been told by her family that if she doesn't get rid of that baby inside of her, she's out on the street.
Scenarios like the latter are how a really nasty black market fills the void. A whole host of things will need to be done by charitable people to figure out solutions for these dumb kids that ideally keeps them from having unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
Is murder being illegal a state issue as well? Maybe Chicago could just legalize murder and drop its crime rate to become one of the areas with the least crime in the country?
This is what i'm referring to when I say that I'm looking at this holistically. There's the morality and then there's the pragmatic reality. I understand your perspective, but it's a moral perspective, not a pragmatic one. If Roe V Wade is overturned, we can't just say "great, let's make it illegal and eff anyone that tries to get an abortion".
We can and we should just make it illegal. People still committing murder isn't an excuse to not make murder illegal. The same goes for murdering unborn children.
In fact, it's expected. If something isn't a crime and people do it, once you make it a crime the rate of people committing that crime goes up. Though the point is that, in the beginning, some people will now not do it, thus reducing the rate at which it happens overall. As time goes on and people are raised understanding that it's a crime and immoral thing to do, it should drop off even more to where it's a much, much smaller issue than it used to be. There are always people who will do bad things and/or break the law, that doesn't mean you just say "fuck it" and toss all the laws out. The point of laws isn't only to prevent people from doing something bad, it's also to punish the people who inevitably do.
Also, you didn't answer my question; Is murder being illegal a state issue as well?
You don't seem to understand. I'm not disagreeing with your moral stance.
But self-righteousness and ignoring the problem is neither helpful nor moral. It doesn't help the problem that will inevitably still exist and it doesn't make you a good person.
The problem doesn't go away anyways, because the arguments for conditional abortions will never cease to be argued.
I'm 99% against abortion, but I think it is wrong to force a rape victim to carry the rapist's child. And I wouldn't ever want to make the decision on my life or my child's life, and if the baby threatens the mother's life, maybe we should allow a C-section or induced labor earlier in an attempt to save both lives?
There will still be suffering because of abortion until the end of time, because we are a corrupted society. We worship sex, and until having dangerous, unprotected sex with numerous partners becomes "uncool", we'll always have these issues, unfortunately.
for an abortion , it is induced labor. The mother must be dilated enough to pass the baby. C-section idk. you’re opening up a big risk for infection and death. Also what about teenagers and children. I think a C-section would be too hard on pre-teen or teen.
Very interesting clip, excellent post OP.
I try to look at this issue as holistically as I can, in that beyond the basic morality (or lack of), how it will impact American society, human behaviors and practical implications of a ruling change.
I've read the Constitution many times. I'm not in the legal field, but in my opinion, there's nothing in the Constitution inferred or otherwise that makes abortion a "right". I'm sure I'll get no disagreements on that here.
I'm a Federalist at heart and ideally the subject of abortion is something that each individual state should be in control of. It has no business being a federal issue (along with many, many other things).
What I'm getting at in an extremely round about way is that if Roe vs Wade is overturned, I hope people are ready to not only do some serious contemplation, but to help as well. If your state outlaws abortion, it doesn't make the problem go away. For every white feminist commie that proudly tells social media about how wonderful her latest abortion was, there's some 16 year old girl who has been told by her family that if she doesn't get rid of that baby inside of her, she's out on the street.
Scenarios like the latter are how a really nasty black market fills the void. A whole host of things will need to be done by charitable people to figure out solutions for these dumb kids that ideally keeps them from having unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
Absolutely!
This is where crisis pregnancy centers and true churches need to shine their lights!
like planned parenthood
Is murder being illegal a state issue as well? Maybe Chicago could just legalize murder and drop its crime rate to become one of the areas with the least crime in the country?
This is what i'm referring to when I say that I'm looking at this holistically. There's the morality and then there's the pragmatic reality. I understand your perspective, but it's a moral perspective, not a pragmatic one. If Roe V Wade is overturned, we can't just say "great, let's make it illegal and eff anyone that tries to get an abortion".
That's not a moral nor Christian outlook.
We can and we should just make it illegal. People still committing murder isn't an excuse to not make murder illegal. The same goes for murdering unborn children.
In fact, it's expected. If something isn't a crime and people do it, once you make it a crime the rate of people committing that crime goes up. Though the point is that, in the beginning, some people will now not do it, thus reducing the rate at which it happens overall. As time goes on and people are raised understanding that it's a crime and immoral thing to do, it should drop off even more to where it's a much, much smaller issue than it used to be. There are always people who will do bad things and/or break the law, that doesn't mean you just say "fuck it" and toss all the laws out. The point of laws isn't only to prevent people from doing something bad, it's also to punish the people who inevitably do.
Also, you didn't answer my question; Is murder being illegal a state issue as well?
You don't seem to understand. I'm not disagreeing with your moral stance.
But self-righteousness and ignoring the problem is neither helpful nor moral. It doesn't help the problem that will inevitably still exist and it doesn't make you a good person.
The problem doesn't go away anyways, because the arguments for conditional abortions will never cease to be argued.
I'm 99% against abortion, but I think it is wrong to force a rape victim to carry the rapist's child. And I wouldn't ever want to make the decision on my life or my child's life, and if the baby threatens the mother's life, maybe we should allow a C-section or induced labor earlier in an attempt to save both lives?
There will still be suffering because of abortion until the end of time, because we are a corrupted society. We worship sex, and until having dangerous, unprotected sex with numerous partners becomes "uncool", we'll always have these issues, unfortunately.
for an abortion , it is induced labor. The mother must be dilated enough to pass the baby. C-section idk. you’re opening up a big risk for infection and death. Also what about teenagers and children. I think a C-section would be too hard on pre-teen or teen.