Jesus turned water into wine. Not water into water and water. This was a party, not a battlefield or a march where your example would be the norm. Scripture is clear.
You've just shown an example of why literal interpretation of the bible is often the wrong interpretation. Historical context matters. Remember - these books were written by men, not by God or Jesus.
At the time of writing, it would have been considered unnecessary to mention that the table wine was actually a mixture of fermented grape juice and water. That would be like saying "I poured a glass of cola with carbonation."
WRONG. They were written by me "as carried along by the Holy Spirit" aka God.
Saying the Bible isn't divinely inspired goes against the position of Christianity. That's an atheistic / agnostic position since it disagrees with scripture.
You are ignoring what scripture says to support your position, also common from atheists and agnostics.
Is God sovereign or not? That determines alot. If He is, then He can use men to carry forth His Word as He wishes and as the Bible tells us. If He's not then why would anyone even bother?
The God I worship is sovereign. How about yours?
Throughout John 2, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19).
Downvoting and attempting to put words in my mouth gives the impression that you are not being intellectually honest. As a follower of Christ, surely you realize that He knows what is in your heart, and you will be judged as such.
Nothing you said contradicts my statements. It is a historical fact that after fermentation the wine was typically diluted with an amount of water. Among other reasons, this was because they drank the wine for hydration and not to get drunk. This is easily available information.
You spent a lot of energy attacking my faith, and on no real grounds. I suggest you spend more time looking inward, fren.
As someone else pointed out, you are correct except for the fact that wine was typically diluted with water before consumption.
Jesus turned water into wine. Not water into water and water. This was a party, not a battlefield or a march where your example would be the norm. Scripture is clear.
You've just shown an example of why literal interpretation of the bible is often the wrong interpretation. Historical context matters. Remember - these books were written by men, not by God or Jesus.
At the time of writing, it would have been considered unnecessary to mention that the table wine was actually a mixture of fermented grape juice and water. That would be like saying "I poured a glass of cola with carbonation."
WRONG. They were written by me "as carried along by the Holy Spirit" aka God.
Saying the Bible isn't divinely inspired goes against the position of Christianity. That's an atheistic / agnostic position since it disagrees with scripture.
You are ignoring what scripture says to support your position, also common from atheists and agnostics.
Is God sovereign or not? That determines alot. If He is, then He can use men to carry forth His Word as He wishes and as the Bible tells us. If He's not then why would anyone even bother?
The God I worship is sovereign. How about yours?
Throughout John 2, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19).
Downvoting and attempting to put words in my mouth gives the impression that you are not being intellectually honest. As a follower of Christ, surely you realize that He knows what is in your heart, and you will be judged as such.
Nothing you said contradicts my statements. It is a historical fact that after fermentation the wine was typically diluted with an amount of water. Among other reasons, this was because they drank the wine for hydration and not to get drunk. This is easily available information.
You spent a lot of energy attacking my faith, and on no real grounds. I suggest you spend more time looking inward, fren.