It's pretty simple to understand that when God lets the the next totalitarian despot take over a country and systematically murder tens of millions of the people in that country that God wanted that to happen exactly like it did.
He has ultimate authority over whether we are saved after death, but we have the capacity to do as we please. Biblically speaking all of God’s creations are like this, hence the devil choosing to rebel.
So, correct me if I'm wrong but what it seems like you're saying is that for all intents and purposes while we are alive here on this plane of existence God isn't really in control of anything?....that's like the exact opposite of what the first guy who I responded to said. In my opinion God is either 100% in control of everything or it's not actually God (by definition.)
God is NOT in control of your choices. Or mine. God does not control his children in that way.
The key to understanding scripture correctly is to understand how human responsibility factors into God's providential work. Calvin's predestination model is wrong, and so is the idea that God is in control of everything. God's vision and ideal was ALWAYS a joint project, where his children have a responsibility that cannot be ignored.
I think it's ironic that I got downvoted for actually 100% agreeing with the first person in this subthread who got 12 updoots:
" scurfie 12 points 23 hours ago +12 / -0
God is in total control and that is very hard to understand or accept. That is not to say that prayer doesn't work. It does. "
You guys are trying to disagree with the first part of u/scurfie's statement that "God is in total control," while agreeing with and elaborating on the latter part by trying to make it seem that it's overly complicated to even fathom. In reality, what you are saying is that God is really not in control because your ego can't handle admitting that there is a Consciousness that has everything that you are plus infinitely more. It just shows how deep a lot of peoples' cognitive dissonance goes in the God department.
It's not hard to understand that a Consciousness that is so supreme and set apart from everything was able to conceive of and create everything out of nothing, while still having everything created be infinitely less than the Consciousness itself. This concept won't ever fit into some finite box of illogical rules and dogmas that humans have been making up to trick other weak minded humans for thousands of years.
It is, however, easy for people on a Q research board to see through a simple logical fallacy. The concept that there is a Creator/Consciousness (God) that created literally everything from nothing (including the subatomic laws that govern everything), and who isn't in complete control of everything that He created, is simply illogical. The idea of a God who isn't in control of everything is actually equivalent to the concepts of a superhero, a demigod, or the classic pagan gods of antiquity. This is not actually what an all powerful and knowing Creator/Consciousness/God is. In that case, there would have to be multiple superheroes aka "gods" who worked with each other and created each other, and if you believe that, I'm not saying necessarily that you are wrong, I'm just saying don't call that God the original Creator/Consciousness and source of everything. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That's why 2+2 will never equal 3 or 5 regardless of whether it's 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 7th dimensional geometry. The answer will always be 4. God can't be God if God is not God.
If you prayed and you believe that God did some kind of divine intervention that changed the outcome if you had not prayed, you are incorrect. God created and caused everything that preceded the choices that you made. Additionally, God created your heart and knows what decision you would make before you even made it. There's not a single thing that wasn't made from God. Define these terms however you may, the logic is still the same. Heart, mind, soul, consciousness. God knows you, God knew you before you were formed in your mother's womb. God knows everything you will do because God knows your heart and your spirit and whatever you were before you became you after God decided to create you. You do have free will, and God already knows your will, because God knows you intimately and more throughly than you will ever know yourself. Because God is God.
It's pretty simple to understand that when God lets the the next totalitarian despot take over a country and systematically murder tens of millions of the people in that country that God wanted that to happen exactly like it did.
You mustn’t forget that God is in a fight with the devil. God rules the people, and the devil rules the world.
Oh, so God isn't in control?
He has ultimate authority over whether we are saved after death, but we have the capacity to do as we please. Biblically speaking all of God’s creations are like this, hence the devil choosing to rebel.
So, correct me if I'm wrong but what it seems like you're saying is that for all intents and purposes while we are alive here on this plane of existence God isn't really in control of anything?....that's like the exact opposite of what the first guy who I responded to said. In my opinion God is either 100% in control of everything or it's not actually God (by definition.)
God is NOT in control of your choices. Or mine. God does not control his children in that way.
The key to understanding scripture correctly is to understand how human responsibility factors into God's providential work. Calvin's predestination model is wrong, and so is the idea that God is in control of everything. God's vision and ideal was ALWAYS a joint project, where his children have a responsibility that cannot be ignored.
God allows us free will. So yes you are correct He allows that to happen. Does He like it? No.
I think it's ironic that I got downvoted for actually 100% agreeing with the first person in this subthread who got 12 updoots:
" scurfie 12 points 23 hours ago +12 / -0 God is in total control and that is very hard to understand or accept. That is not to say that prayer doesn't work. It does. "
You guys are trying to disagree with the first part of u/scurfie's statement that "God is in total control," while agreeing with and elaborating on the latter part by trying to make it seem that it's overly complicated to even fathom. In reality, what you are saying is that God is really not in control because your ego can't handle admitting that there is a Consciousness that has everything that you are plus infinitely more. It just shows how deep a lot of peoples' cognitive dissonance goes in the God department.
It's not hard to understand that a Consciousness that is so supreme and set apart from everything was able to conceive of and create everything out of nothing, while still having everything created be infinitely less than the Consciousness itself. This concept won't ever fit into some finite box of illogical rules and dogmas that humans have been making up to trick other weak minded humans for thousands of years.
It is, however, easy for people on a Q research board to see through a simple logical fallacy. The concept that there is a Creator/Consciousness (God) that created literally everything from nothing (including the subatomic laws that govern everything), and who isn't in complete control of everything that He created, is simply illogical. The idea of a God who isn't in control of everything is actually equivalent to the concepts of a superhero, a demigod, or the classic pagan gods of antiquity. This is not actually what an all powerful and knowing Creator/Consciousness/God is. In that case, there would have to be multiple superheroes aka "gods" who worked with each other and created each other, and if you believe that, I'm not saying necessarily that you are wrong, I'm just saying don't call that God the original Creator/Consciousness and source of everything. You can't have your cake and eat it too. That's why 2+2 will never equal 3 or 5 regardless of whether it's 1st, 2nd, 3rd or even 7th dimensional geometry. The answer will always be 4. God can't be God if God is not God.
If you prayed and you believe that God did some kind of divine intervention that changed the outcome if you had not prayed, you are incorrect. God created and caused everything that preceded the choices that you made. Additionally, God created your heart and knows what decision you would make before you even made it. There's not a single thing that wasn't made from God. Define these terms however you may, the logic is still the same. Heart, mind, soul, consciousness. God knows you, God knew you before you were formed in your mother's womb. God knows everything you will do because God knows your heart and your spirit and whatever you were before you became you after God decided to create you. You do have free will, and God already knows your will, because God knows you intimately and more throughly than you will ever know yourself. Because God is God.
Well done.