You're using one of the classic 5 major falsehoods used to mislead Christians, to wit: (1) The Jews are Israelites, and thus God's chosen people; (2) Jesus Christ was a Jew.
Judaism is a newer religion than Christianity is. Christianity has NEVER been based on Judaism. Judaism was created to confront the spread of Christianity - using the Bible as a prop and also to conceal Judaism's ritualistic practice of blood-letting.
As an example, below is information on Judaism's foundational Passover text.
Surprise, surprise, it's not from the Old Testament but rather the Haggadah, a thoroughly Talmudic work. (M. Hoffman III, "Judaism Discovered"). The Talmud was compiled as a result of the absolute destruction of Herod’s temple, in which every stone was carried away leaving no trace of it’s existence. In it we learn:
In 66 CE, when the Roman general Vespasian swept into Jerusalem, Judaism was a cultic, oral religion, with Herod's massive temple as its lodestar. Everything happened in the temple complex. Four years later, Vespasian's son Titus razed it to the ground. A quote from the Talmud:
"Where was God under the rubble?" wondered the Rabbis.
"How to praise him now that the temple was gone?"
The sages agreed: Jews would have to BECOME a people of the book, or they would disappear. Hence, they were NOT a people of the book before this time.
These people are not Israelites nor Judahites. So, Israel today is a false Israel.
The Jews are not Israelites. From their own academic texts we find:
"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an 'Israelite' or a 'Hebrew'". -- 1980 Jewish Almanac, 1st chapter "Identity Crisis". (Jewish Encyclopedia IV, 1902, p 335).
This is indisputably backed up by the archaeological finds of ancient Israelites and their skulls. Cranial shape and size does not change racially. The Israelite skulls were dolichocephalic (long-headed) with avg. cranial capacity of 1416cc. This is identical to modern northern Europeans. Modern day Jews are brachycephalic (round-headed) with a much smaller avg. cranial capacity of 1266cc. This fact alone convincingly proves modern Jews are not descendants of ancient Israel.
"Edom is in modern Jewry" -- The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, Page 41
"Jews began in the 19th century to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860". – Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23.
Brother, I think we are getting off track. My source is Scripture, bot the Old Testament (which goes back 5000 years minimum) and the New Testament, which focuses upon Jesus. My source is universally accepted and credible. Yours is not. Furthermore, I am not cherry picking arguments to piece together a narrative. You are. Thus, there really is no comparison.
Either you accept the Gospel or you do not? All in the Gospel were good practicing Jews. All of them. Jesus was the prophesied Messiah. You apparently have not read the Old Testament. You should as you would likely find it amazing and inspirational. It foretells the coming of Jesus the Messiah.
God Bless Brother.
The earliest Old Testament that is available is the Greek Septuagint written in 285 BC and finished shortly afterward. Your source regrettably is from authors of lies and deception. I've researched for over 40 years to tell you that very little being preached as being "universally accepted and accepted".
Unfortunately, you're repeating one or two of the grand falsehoods that are taught to Christians. The "Chosen" are not the Jews. This is blatantly un-scriptural and incorrect and Jesus was not a Jew either. The Jews are not Israelites and their own scholars admit this. Even archaeologists have proven this with showing the racial cranial shapes and capacity do not change in time and do not match modern jews. The difference is as disparate as sino-Chinese is to Congolese.
In regards to your "5000 year old minimum" comment, the ancient written Hebrew (paleo-Hebrew) was lost in antiquity. The neo-Hebrew used at this website with vowel points, something the original language never used, was manufactured in the 10th Century.
The earliest Bible we have is the Greek Septuagint. The Septuagint was used widely by the early Christians exclusively as their Old Testament Bible. This is a widely accepted fact and that the quotations of Christ and His Apostles that occur in the New Testament are taken exclusively from the Septuagint. According to tradition,Ptolemy Philadelphus, who purchased the freedom of Israelites in his territories, arranged for 6 scholars from each of the 12 tribes to translate the first five books of the Old Testament from the ancient Hebrew into Greek around 285 BC. By this time, a practical knowledge of the Hebrew language was all but lost among the Hellenized Israelites citizens.
After the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek had become the common language of the known world. So Ptolemy gathered 72 scholars in Alexandria, Egypt and they completed the Pentateuch (first five Books of the OT). The Latin name 'Septuagint', meaning 70, was later, applied to the translation. Both 'The Letter of Aristeas', who was an assistant of Ptolemy and the historian Flavius Josephus record in detail the history of the making of the Septuagint. It is unclear when the rest of the OT was finished in the Septuagint, but it was certainly finished by 150 BC. The original Hebrew OT are now lost in antiquity.
From the Greek Septuagint derives the original Greek New Testament, which was also lost in antiquity. From the original Greek NT, the Latin Vulgate was translated.
Much later in the 10th Century, Phariseeic scholars called the ’Masoretes’ used the Greek Septuagint to reverse engineer from a family of languages that are Semitic. With the original Hebrew OT being lost, the Masoretes depended on the existing Afroasiatic language family (Arabic) and Aramaic to successfully 'revive' a dead language.
Even Wikipedia admits to modern Hebrew as being a revived dead language.
The original written Hebrew had only consonants and it depended on an oral tradition of learned scholars to know what the words meant. The Masoretes created a new written 'Hebrew' that had vowel points. These vowel points are any of a group of auxiliary symbols, as small lines and dots, placed above or below consonant symbols to indicate vowels in a writing system.
Arabic uses vowel points.
The Masoretes finished translating the New Hebrew version from the Septuagint in the 10th Century AD. The Masoretic Text, as it is called, was accepted as being the basis of all Protestant Bibles. In the same period, it was used as a source, along with later Greek Texts (such as the Miniscules, etc.) as the basis for the Textus Receptus. From the Masoretic Text, the King James Version was transliterated.
This information can all be verified with some research.
You're using one of the classic 5 major falsehoods used to mislead Christians, to wit: (1) The Jews are Israelites, and thus God's chosen people; (2) Jesus Christ was a Jew.
Judaism is a newer religion than Christianity is. Christianity has NEVER been based on Judaism. Judaism was created to confront the spread of Christianity - using the Bible as a prop and also to conceal Judaism's ritualistic practice of blood-letting.
As an example, below is information on Judaism's foundational Passover text.
Surprise, surprise, it's not from the Old Testament but rather the Haggadah, a thoroughly Talmudic work. (M. Hoffman III, "Judaism Discovered"). The Talmud was compiled as a result of the absolute destruction of Herod’s temple, in which every stone was carried away leaving no trace of it’s existence. In it we learn:
In 66 CE, when the Roman general Vespasian swept into Jerusalem, Judaism was a cultic, oral religion, with Herod's massive temple as its lodestar. Everything happened in the temple complex. Four years later, Vespasian's son Titus razed it to the ground. A quote from the Talmud:
"Where was God under the rubble?" wondered the Rabbis.
"How to praise him now that the temple was gone?"
The sages agreed: Jews would have to BECOME a people of the book, or they would disappear. Hence, they were NOT a people of the book before this time.
These people are not Israelites nor Judahites. So, Israel today is a false Israel.
The Jews are not Israelites. From their own academic texts we find:
"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an 'Israelite' or a 'Hebrew'". -- 1980 Jewish Almanac, 1st chapter "Identity Crisis". (Jewish Encyclopedia IV, 1902, p 335).
This is indisputably backed up by the archaeological finds of ancient Israelites and their skulls. Cranial shape and size does not change racially. The Israelite skulls were dolichocephalic (long-headed) with avg. cranial capacity of 1416cc. This is identical to modern northern Europeans. Modern day Jews are brachycephalic (round-headed) with a much smaller avg. cranial capacity of 1266cc. This fact alone convincingly proves modern Jews are not descendants of ancient Israel.
"Edom is in modern Jewry" -- The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, Page 41
"Jews began in the 19th century to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860". – Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23.
Brother, I think we are getting off track. My source is Scripture, bot the Old Testament (which goes back 5000 years minimum) and the New Testament, which focuses upon Jesus. My source is universally accepted and credible. Yours is not. Furthermore, I am not cherry picking arguments to piece together a narrative. You are. Thus, there really is no comparison. Either you accept the Gospel or you do not? All in the Gospel were good practicing Jews. All of them. Jesus was the prophesied Messiah. You apparently have not read the Old Testament. You should as you would likely find it amazing and inspirational. It foretells the coming of Jesus the Messiah. God Bless Brother.
The earliest Old Testament that is available is the Greek Septuagint written in 285 BC and finished shortly afterward. Your source regrettably is from authors of lies and deception. I've researched for over 40 years to tell you that very little being preached as being "universally accepted and accepted".
Unfortunately, you're repeating one or two of the grand falsehoods that are taught to Christians. The "Chosen" are not the Jews. This is blatantly un-scriptural and incorrect and Jesus was not a Jew either. The Jews are not Israelites and their own scholars admit this. Even archaeologists have proven this with showing the racial cranial shapes and capacity do not change in time and do not match modern jews. The difference is as disparate as sino-Chinese is to Congolese.
In regards to your "5000 year old minimum" comment, the ancient written Hebrew (paleo-Hebrew) was lost in antiquity. The neo-Hebrew used at this website with vowel points, something the original language never used, was manufactured in the 10th Century.
The earliest Bible we have is the Greek Septuagint. The Septuagint was used widely by the early Christians exclusively as their Old Testament Bible. This is a widely accepted fact and that the quotations of Christ and His Apostles that occur in the New Testament are taken exclusively from the Septuagint. According to tradition,Ptolemy Philadelphus, who purchased the freedom of Israelites in his territories, arranged for 6 scholars from each of the 12 tribes to translate the first five books of the Old Testament from the ancient Hebrew into Greek around 285 BC. By this time, a practical knowledge of the Hebrew language was all but lost among the Hellenized Israelites citizens.
After the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek had become the common language of the known world. So Ptolemy gathered 72 scholars in Alexandria, Egypt and they completed the Pentateuch (first five Books of the OT). The Latin name 'Septuagint', meaning 70, was later, applied to the translation. Both 'The Letter of Aristeas', who was an assistant of Ptolemy and the historian Flavius Josephus record in detail the history of the making of the Septuagint. It is unclear when the rest of the OT was finished in the Septuagint, but it was certainly finished by 150 BC. The original Hebrew OT are now lost in antiquity.
From the Greek Septuagint derives the original Greek New Testament, which was also lost in antiquity. From the original Greek NT, the Latin Vulgate was translated.
Much later in the 10th Century, Phariseeic scholars called the ’Masoretes’ used the Greek Septuagint to reverse engineer from a family of languages that are Semitic. With the original Hebrew OT being lost, the Masoretes depended on the existing Afroasiatic language family (Arabic) and Aramaic to successfully 'revive' a dead language.
Even Wikipedia admits to modern Hebrew as being a revived dead language.
The original written Hebrew had only consonants and it depended on an oral tradition of learned scholars to know what the words meant. The Masoretes created a new written 'Hebrew' that had vowel points. These vowel points are any of a group of auxiliary symbols, as small lines and dots, placed above or below consonant symbols to indicate vowels in a writing system.
Arabic uses vowel points.
The Masoretes finished translating the New Hebrew version from the Septuagint in the 10th Century AD. The Masoretic Text, as it is called, was accepted as being the basis of all Protestant Bibles. In the same period, it was used as a source, along with later Greek Texts (such as the Miniscules, etc.) as the basis for the Textus Receptus. From the Masoretic Text, the King James Version was transliterated.
This information can all be verified with some research.