In response to your sarcasm, be careful to avoid the fallacy of generalization...
Something not being "the norm" doesn't make it criminal or immoral. If a 16 year old could get married in the 70s (yes, it happened, not always, not normally, but ot did happen and wasn't called pedophilia) and it was legal and not considered immoral, then why now should it be considered otherwise?
Oh they weren't? 16 year olds were never courting or marrying 56 year olds? Has all of your knowledge of history consisted only of stories since the year 2000?
"Normal" is a relative term. If a Christian lived amongst Muslims in 1740s Arabia, and did not have multiple wives (many of them quite younger than 18), that man would not be considered "normal" by that community's standards. In Portland, being "weird" is "normal" to people from Portland but they are weird to most of the rest of the USA who think they are weird.
For the sake of this discussion of serious matters, let's try to stick with using objective, absolute terms... for instance, like criminal, illegal, moral, immoral, sin etc. "Normal" just doesn't quite cut it.
Holy shit, why are you so hell bent on justifying this? You do realize that Epstein was caught procuring girls in this age group to older men, right? We anons know there’s much younger children involved, but this age group is what he and Ghislaine Maxwell were arrested for. And there has been public outrage over it. Your incessant need to defend older men wanting to be with girls this age and trying to say it’s normal is right in line with the men who slept with Epstein’s girls. They may look old enough to you, but they’re still developing mentally and emotionally and a man 40 years older than her that wants to be with her is predatory. He wants to use his age and experience to manipulate and control her. Our society has gotten really morally bankrupt over time, but the one thing that has evolved is the fact we can acknowledge this age shouldn’t be married off to much older men and there’s now laws in place prohibiting it. I’m not going to disagree with you that pedophilia by definition is attraction to children, but older people wanting to be with teens is also moral degeneracy for the reasons I touched on. If a 24 year old is with a 17 year old I’m not too perturbed because they’re so close in mental and emotional maturity it’s really not a big deal. However someone close to 60 looking at a 16-17 year old and actually acting on is fucking disgusting. Again, my husband is wouldnt think twice to kill a 56 year old man who attempted to touch his daughter.
I'm hell bent on making sure that people here, who project themselves to be wiser followers of the "GREAT AWAKENING", avoid acting like the irrational retards whom they call evil enemies. Most of the respondents on this thread have refused to present anything resembling logical thought. It's nothing but irrational, emotional unhinged personal perspectives eg "OMG ICKY."
My point is that the OP is clickbait. The headline is misleading. Don Jr. fell for the original clickbait and now people here have fallen for it, and instead of admitting that they didn't do their research, they are doubling down with absurd nonarguments. Contrary to the headline, the case in question wasn't definitively an issue of pedophilia. Regardless of the man's age, a 17 year old is not a child, let alone a prepubescent child. It doesn't meet the medical or legal definition of pedophilia. Does that mean that the man in question isn't a pedophile? Perhaps he is. Perhaps he isn't. But based on the details of the circumstances of this case alone, no rational human being could arrive at such an objective conclusion. So unless there's more evidence of this man actually expressing pedophilic sentiments or engaging in pedophilic activities, you know, with CHILDREN, then it's just as wrong to call him a pedophile as it is for leftists to falsely label people as "racist" without evidence.
Sex trafficking is sex trafficking, a criminal, immoral act, regardless of the act of the victims. Granted, most states have more severe punishments for the younger the age of the victim due to measurably more harm done to more vulnerable people. What Epstein did wasn't just trafficking, but grooming, psychological and physical manipulation of girls and young women (perhaps boys and young men as well?). Were some of Epstein's clients pedophiles? Possibly, even highly likely. But again, this is all irrelevant to the case in the OP.
I'm not defending older men's desires and acting upon sexually exploiting children. That's pedophilia, which is illegal and immoral. But the case in question isn't definitively pedophilia. Why are people here so hell bent on purporting it to be? Because the clickbait is designed to make them say "AH! Sick Dem pardons Sick Dem, cause ThEy'rE aLL SiCk!" It's these kind of retarded, child-like statements that make normies write you off as being stupid "conspiracy theorists."
a man 40 years older than her that wants to be with her is predatory. He wants to use his age and experience to manipulate and control her
Unless you have the divine power to read hearts and minds, what you've stated is conjecture, speculation. You assume something to be the truth, that might not be. Perhaps a 40 year old was never able to find love and wants to have children and a family, so logically rules out women 30+ because of the increase in birth complications? Perhaps all the 20-29 year old women near him are so tied up in going to college, focusing on careers, their own self-centered STRONG WOMAN agenda pushed by the neo-feminist left? Along comes a non hag, younger woman who wants to have a family, wants children, wants to be a wife, accepts the age difference because the man is a loving, kind man. Are you to say that such a hypothetical situation never happened before and cannot happen? You're making an objective truth claim, without any substantial argumentative backing, while focusing only on arbitrary standards like age (again, if she was 18, there is no legal challenge, there is no story) and subjective perspectives of what you find to be "icky" and "disgusting." These are not legal standards. They aren't moral standards. They are your feelings.
Is this guy pedophile? Possibly. Do the circumstances of this case prove him to be? No. If you're so hell bent on believing him to be a pedophile, do some research and provide some definitive evidence to prove it.
In response to your sarcasm, be careful to avoid the fallacy of generalization...
Something not being "the norm" doesn't make it criminal or immoral. If a 16 year old could get married in the 70s (yes, it happened, not always, not normally, but ot did happen and wasn't called pedophilia) and it was legal and not considered immoral, then why now should it be considered otherwise?
You're correct but those sixteen year olds weren't dating or marrying men 40 years older than them either.
Even you have to admit that's not normal, but keep defending the creepo if you want.
Oh they weren't? 16 year olds were never courting or marrying 56 year olds? Has all of your knowledge of history consisted only of stories since the year 2000?
"Normal" is a relative term. If a Christian lived amongst Muslims in 1740s Arabia, and did not have multiple wives (many of them quite younger than 18), that man would not be considered "normal" by that community's standards. In Portland, being "weird" is "normal" to people from Portland but they are weird to most of the rest of the USA who think they are weird.
For the sake of this discussion of serious matters, let's try to stick with using objective, absolute terms... for instance, like criminal, illegal, moral, immoral, sin etc. "Normal" just doesn't quite cut it.
Holy shit, why are you so hell bent on justifying this? You do realize that Epstein was caught procuring girls in this age group to older men, right? We anons know there’s much younger children involved, but this age group is what he and Ghislaine Maxwell were arrested for. And there has been public outrage over it. Your incessant need to defend older men wanting to be with girls this age and trying to say it’s normal is right in line with the men who slept with Epstein’s girls. They may look old enough to you, but they’re still developing mentally and emotionally and a man 40 years older than her that wants to be with her is predatory. He wants to use his age and experience to manipulate and control her. Our society has gotten really morally bankrupt over time, but the one thing that has evolved is the fact we can acknowledge this age shouldn’t be married off to much older men and there’s now laws in place prohibiting it. I’m not going to disagree with you that pedophilia by definition is attraction to children, but older people wanting to be with teens is also moral degeneracy for the reasons I touched on. If a 24 year old is with a 17 year old I’m not too perturbed because they’re so close in mental and emotional maturity it’s really not a big deal. However someone close to 60 looking at a 16-17 year old and actually acting on is fucking disgusting. Again, my husband is wouldnt think twice to kill a 56 year old man who attempted to touch his daughter.
I'm hell bent on making sure that people here, who project themselves to be wiser followers of the "GREAT AWAKENING", avoid acting like the irrational retards whom they call evil enemies. Most of the respondents on this thread have refused to present anything resembling logical thought. It's nothing but irrational, emotional unhinged personal perspectives eg "OMG ICKY."
My point is that the OP is clickbait. The headline is misleading. Don Jr. fell for the original clickbait and now people here have fallen for it, and instead of admitting that they didn't do their research, they are doubling down with absurd nonarguments. Contrary to the headline, the case in question wasn't definitively an issue of pedophilia. Regardless of the man's age, a 17 year old is not a child, let alone a prepubescent child. It doesn't meet the medical or legal definition of pedophilia. Does that mean that the man in question isn't a pedophile? Perhaps he is. Perhaps he isn't. But based on the details of the circumstances of this case alone, no rational human being could arrive at such an objective conclusion. So unless there's more evidence of this man actually expressing pedophilic sentiments or engaging in pedophilic activities, you know, with CHILDREN, then it's just as wrong to call him a pedophile as it is for leftists to falsely label people as "racist" without evidence.
Sex trafficking is sex trafficking, a criminal, immoral act, regardless of the act of the victims. Granted, most states have more severe punishments for the younger the age of the victim due to measurably more harm done to more vulnerable people. What Epstein did wasn't just trafficking, but grooming, psychological and physical manipulation of girls and young women (perhaps boys and young men as well?). Were some of Epstein's clients pedophiles? Possibly, even highly likely. But again, this is all irrelevant to the case in the OP.
I'm not defending older men's desires and acting upon sexually exploiting children. That's pedophilia, which is illegal and immoral. But the case in question isn't definitively pedophilia. Why are people here so hell bent on purporting it to be? Because the clickbait is designed to make them say "AH! Sick Dem pardons Sick Dem, cause ThEy'rE aLL SiCk!" It's these kind of retarded, child-like statements that make normies write you off as being stupid "conspiracy theorists."
Unless you have the divine power to read hearts and minds, what you've stated is conjecture, speculation. You assume something to be the truth, that might not be. Perhaps a 40 year old was never able to find love and wants to have children and a family, so logically rules out women 30+ because of the increase in birth complications? Perhaps all the 20-29 year old women near him are so tied up in going to college, focusing on careers, their own self-centered STRONG WOMAN agenda pushed by the neo-feminist left? Along comes a non hag, younger woman who wants to have a family, wants children, wants to be a wife, accepts the age difference because the man is a loving, kind man. Are you to say that such a hypothetical situation never happened before and cannot happen? You're making an objective truth claim, without any substantial argumentative backing, while focusing only on arbitrary standards like age (again, if she was 18, there is no legal challenge, there is no story) and subjective perspectives of what you find to be "icky" and "disgusting." These are not legal standards. They aren't moral standards. They are your feelings.
Is this guy pedophile? Possibly. Do the circumstances of this case prove him to be? No. If you're so hell bent on believing him to be a pedophile, do some research and provide some definitive evidence to prove it.