Definitely don't put him in a camp. Thats gonna make him think you don't want to deal with his problems and like you're giving up on him. Prayer and understanding kindness will help him through. I would pray to God and ask Him to give you the right words to say to help your son through this. I would also go talk to the school cuz they may be indoctrinating him behind your back more than the obvious things. Don't go scorched earth, but try to figure out what's going on. Humility and kindness go a long ways. God will take care of the wrath part when it's time lol. He knows when it's time for you to give someone an earful or more
A lot of trolls from r/politics and r/selfawarewolves like to come into this forum and take screenshots. One example was the "really sad OP" who was suddenly depressed Trump suggested the vaccine, and said he lost everything from his job to his family by saying "no" all yesr. It seemed fake but it went viral on reddit. I suspect they make the posts, get people riled up on here, take a screenshot, then champion their "finding" back at their home base.
If you look at OPs history is all religious + communist talk.
I've been to bible college in small town bible belt Midwest, been to scores of different churches across the globe, and have friends and family who are gay or turned trans. I've never heard anyone suggest a camp.
Camps are considered abhorrent in reddit, so to get a bunch of us to agree on a camp would into add fuel to their dying fire filed by mockery and anger.
I'd say OP is a troll.
Edit: reading OPs post history I would confidently state OP is a troll. I've been a member of T_D, TD.w, and now here, and I've never seen anyone this blatantly "anti gay patriot" in my six years browsing. It's like OP is trying to "be" what he expects us to be, only to become charicature.
The fact that he's talking about a pray the gay away style camp is alone pretty cringe, but I answered genuinely nonetheless.
If it's a serious post, and there are really other religious people who feel this way, I would absolutely urge them to re-examine themselves because family comes first.
It is legitimately against the Bible to force everyone else into your path. If you believe in God and you believe in salvation, and you believe we are all sinners anyway, then you need to understand that we have to find our own way, and if we seek forgiveness we do so of our own accord. To be coerced removes meaning, and to coerce would be morally unjustifiable.
This is absolutely the type of thing that got the Bible thumper stereotype and this behavior did more damage to this country's values than any religious person wants to admit.
I'm questioning your intent because you speak like the stereotypical 1950s commie hunter who sees red everywhere, who has only been a member of this forum for a month, and is unable to parent, address, or even have a conversation with his own son.
I don't advocate anything, I said I have friends. Do you not go to church? Tell me, did Jesus befriend those who society rejected? In this society of red blooded Patriots, who do we reject? The trans, the liberals, the gays. Who are we if we don't try to awaken others? We're we not awakened?
Lastly, I've been a counselor at kids camps, not pray-the-gay-away camps, but just a bible focused summer camp. You mentioned a camp to "confront his issues," that shouldn't happen at camp. You shouldn't "confront" a child when they're away from the safety of their home, parents, and social circle. You can put them in a Jesus surrounded environment and pray they come to realize something different than what they're pursuing. But to send a 14 year old boy, who's already obviously confused and going through massive hormonal changes, to a place to be "confronted and corrected" is both willfully ignorant and I'd dare say lazy parenting. You're outsourcing your responsibility in hopes someone will do the guidance for you.
Summer camp to get closer to GOD? Jesus said, "The kingdom of Heaven is Within", "I hide my word in your heart", "My Word is written in the hearts of men" "Seek ye first the Kingdom of GOD". So what in the heck does summer camp have to do with getting closer to GOD? Lead by example. Go within. Teach your child to go within. Teach your child about resonance and intuition and gut instinct and self love, and give him something to BE confident about. Learning to mow the lawn, trim trees with a chainsaw, sweep streets, shovel snow, garden, etc wouldn't hurt either. Buy a "beater" vehicle and fix it up together. Sending him to summer camp is avoiding your part in his indoctrination.
That explanation of the camp sounds a bit different that what was in my head when I first read your post. If it is just a general purpose summer camp and it is something your son would want to do, then definitely a reduction in screen time can help ANYONE. It's a good opportunity to hang out with other kids and possibly break the spell a bit that is cast on us by our devices.
Even if he isn't interested in going to a camp, just the conversation you may have with your son may help you both.
Definitely don't put him in a camp. Thats gonna make him think you don't want to deal with his problems and like you're giving up on him. Prayer and understanding kindness will help him through. I would pray to God and ask Him to give you the right words to say to help your son through this. I would also go talk to the school cuz they may be indoctrinating him behind your back more than the obvious things. Don't go scorched earth, but try to figure out what's going on. Humility and kindness go a long ways. God will take care of the wrath part when it's time lol. He knows when it's time for you to give someone an earful or more
Riding the top comment to say this:
A lot of trolls from r/politics and r/selfawarewolves like to come into this forum and take screenshots. One example was the "really sad OP" who was suddenly depressed Trump suggested the vaccine, and said he lost everything from his job to his family by saying "no" all yesr. It seemed fake but it went viral on reddit. I suspect they make the posts, get people riled up on here, take a screenshot, then champion their "finding" back at their home base.
If you look at OPs history is all religious + communist talk.
I've been to bible college in small town bible belt Midwest, been to scores of different churches across the globe, and have friends and family who are gay or turned trans. I've never heard anyone suggest a camp.
Camps are considered abhorrent in reddit, so to get a bunch of us to agree on a camp would into add fuel to their dying fire filed by mockery and anger.
I'd say OP is a troll.
Edit: reading OPs post history I would confidently state OP is a troll. I've been a member of T_D, TD.w, and now here, and I've never seen anyone this blatantly "anti gay patriot" in my six years browsing. It's like OP is trying to "be" what he expects us to be, only to become charicature.
First thing that came to mind.
Well said. I wouldn't doubt it if OP is a shill. There's been a YUGE influx of them lately
The fact that he's talking about a pray the gay away style camp is alone pretty cringe, but I answered genuinely nonetheless.
If it's a serious post, and there are really other religious people who feel this way, I would absolutely urge them to re-examine themselves because family comes first.
It is legitimately against the Bible to force everyone else into your path. If you believe in God and you believe in salvation, and you believe we are all sinners anyway, then you need to understand that we have to find our own way, and if we seek forgiveness we do so of our own accord. To be coerced removes meaning, and to coerce would be morally unjustifiable.
This is absolutely the type of thing that got the Bible thumper stereotype and this behavior did more damage to this country's values than any religious person wants to admit.
THIS.
Good catch.
There are more.
I'm questioning your intent because you speak like the stereotypical 1950s commie hunter who sees red everywhere, who has only been a member of this forum for a month, and is unable to parent, address, or even have a conversation with his own son.
I don't advocate anything, I said I have friends. Do you not go to church? Tell me, did Jesus befriend those who society rejected? In this society of red blooded Patriots, who do we reject? The trans, the liberals, the gays. Who are we if we don't try to awaken others? We're we not awakened?
Lastly, I've been a counselor at kids camps, not pray-the-gay-away camps, but just a bible focused summer camp. You mentioned a camp to "confront his issues," that shouldn't happen at camp. You shouldn't "confront" a child when they're away from the safety of their home, parents, and social circle. You can put them in a Jesus surrounded environment and pray they come to realize something different than what they're pursuing. But to send a 14 year old boy, who's already obviously confused and going through massive hormonal changes, to a place to be "confronted and corrected" is both willfully ignorant and I'd dare say lazy parenting. You're outsourcing your responsibility in hopes someone will do the guidance for you.
Maganificent response. How interesting that the only time the OP popped into the comments was to defend being called out as a troll.
Hmm…
Summer camp to get closer to GOD? Jesus said, "The kingdom of Heaven is Within", "I hide my word in your heart", "My Word is written in the hearts of men" "Seek ye first the Kingdom of GOD". So what in the heck does summer camp have to do with getting closer to GOD? Lead by example. Go within. Teach your child to go within. Teach your child about resonance and intuition and gut instinct and self love, and give him something to BE confident about. Learning to mow the lawn, trim trees with a chainsaw, sweep streets, shovel snow, garden, etc wouldn't hurt either. Buy a "beater" vehicle and fix it up together. Sending him to summer camp is avoiding your part in his indoctrination.
Maybe you should be talking with your son this hard instead of a bunch of strangers on a Q message board, hm?
That explanation of the camp sounds a bit different that what was in my head when I first read your post. If it is just a general purpose summer camp and it is something your son would want to do, then definitely a reduction in screen time can help ANYONE. It's a good opportunity to hang out with other kids and possibly break the spell a bit that is cast on us by our devices.
Even if he isn't interested in going to a camp, just the conversation you may have with your son may help you both.