What did our leader Donald Trump tell us? To be born a Jew in America--like lukewarm toast--no longer means belief in God or support for Israel. Trump tried to wake them up. It is a sad but true fact that many, though not all, Jews in America have lost their identity. Karl Marx, born a Jew who then became a staunch atheist and rejected God, commented on this very development over 200 years ago. Its not new.
First of all, this is not a class or a tutorial. You will note that I wrote considerably more in response to your question than you wrote, yet you still complain. This illustrates on a minute scale many of the same dynamics to which I am pointing.
I have no interest in spoon feeding. While I seek to provide a logical basis upon which you can form an educated view, I am not willing to think for you, such as by forming your conclusions. That is your job as a thinking adult and member of the GA.
I recommend you begin by analyzing more closely your initial premise, one that blithely presumes an automatic connection between Jews and support for Israel. I believe you will find it faulty. While Jesus chose 12 apostles--ALL of them Jews--not all of them supported him. Judas betrayed him. Now go back to the Old Testament. Were there Jews who opposed Israel, or who did not act consistently with its precepts as a nation founded by God Himself?
One reason your analysis fails is that it assumes a monolithic culture--in terms of response to God and Israel--that does not exist in any people on earth, including Jews. There are Jews who are very much saints like Netanyahu, whose love for Israel was all encompassing, and then there are those who follow in the footsteps of Judas, such as Schumer, whose love for money and power is all consuming.
Now that I have answered your question faithfully, please do not waste my time with a rebuke. Say thanks for the effort and leave it at that. Its called 'good taste'. Have a good day.
If you weren't such an arrogant bugger, you would understand that I was never questioning your point of view. You just took it that way reflexively. I happen to agree with much of what you have written here today.
I was not asking for you to spoon feed me anything. I was asking for you to qualify the statement you made by explaining why something that doesn't make sense on the surface has credibility.
When you get your head out of your own ass, tell me what it smells like.
So now you can see quite clearly why I ended my lesson with the following:
"Now that I have answered your question faithfully, please do not waste my time with a rebuke. Say thanks for the effort and leave it at that. Its called 'good taste'. Have a good day."
I understood quite well that your objective was to correct, and that your question was rhetorical. That I pointed out--quite correctly btw-that the sole source of your confusion is rooted in a lack of logic, that sent you through the roof. There is no disconnect at all between a Jew that does not support Israel. Israel was founded by God. Esther, like Donald Trump, was not born a Jew but became one its greatest heroines. On the other hand some Jews act as traitors, like Schumer or Judas Iscariot who betrayed the greatest Jew of all times, Jesus. The answer to your question is free will. All human beings possess. To be a member of God's chosen is no guarantee of holiness or even of faith. Just look around you to see examples of fallen Jews who like Esau fail to live up to their birthright.
What part of that do you not understand? Have you ever read the Old Testament? It was written by the same God who wrote the New Testament. As one fulfills the other, you may like it!
What did our leader Donald Trump tell us? To be born a Jew in America--like lukewarm toast--no longer means belief in God or support for Israel. Trump tried to wake them up. It is a sad but true fact that many, though not all, Jews in America have lost their identity. Karl Marx, born a Jew who then became a staunch atheist and rejected God, commented on this very development over 200 years ago. Its not new.
You still didn't explain why they loathe Israel.
First of all, this is not a class or a tutorial. You will note that I wrote considerably more in response to your question than you wrote, yet you still complain. This illustrates on a minute scale many of the same dynamics to which I am pointing.
I have no interest in spoon feeding. While I seek to provide a logical basis upon which you can form an educated view, I am not willing to think for you, such as by forming your conclusions. That is your job as a thinking adult and member of the GA.
I recommend you begin by analyzing more closely your initial premise, one that blithely presumes an automatic connection between Jews and support for Israel. I believe you will find it faulty. While Jesus chose 12 apostles--ALL of them Jews--not all of them supported him. Judas betrayed him. Now go back to the Old Testament. Were there Jews who opposed Israel, or who did not act consistently with its precepts as a nation founded by God Himself?
One reason your analysis fails is that it assumes a monolithic culture--in terms of response to God and Israel--that does not exist in any people on earth, including Jews. There are Jews who are very much saints like Netanyahu, whose love for Israel was all encompassing, and then there are those who follow in the footsteps of Judas, such as Schumer, whose love for money and power is all consuming.
Now that I have answered your question faithfully, please do not waste my time with a rebuke. Say thanks for the effort and leave it at that. Its called 'good taste'. Have a good day.
If you weren't such an arrogant bugger, you would understand that I was never questioning your point of view. You just took it that way reflexively. I happen to agree with much of what you have written here today.
I was not asking for you to spoon feed me anything. I was asking for you to qualify the statement you made by explaining why something that doesn't make sense on the surface has credibility.
When you get your head out of your own ass, tell me what it smells like.
Have a great day.
So now you can see quite clearly why I ended my lesson with the following: "Now that I have answered your question faithfully, please do not waste my time with a rebuke. Say thanks for the effort and leave it at that. Its called 'good taste'. Have a good day."
I understood quite well that your objective was to correct, and that your question was rhetorical. That I pointed out--quite correctly btw-that the sole source of your confusion is rooted in a lack of logic, that sent you through the roof. There is no disconnect at all between a Jew that does not support Israel. Israel was founded by God. Esther, like Donald Trump, was not born a Jew but became one its greatest heroines. On the other hand some Jews act as traitors, like Schumer or Judas Iscariot who betrayed the greatest Jew of all times, Jesus. The answer to your question is free will. All human beings possess. To be a member of God's chosen is no guarantee of holiness or even of faith. Just look around you to see examples of fallen Jews who like Esau fail to live up to their birthright.
What part of that do you not understand? Have you ever read the Old Testament? It was written by the same God who wrote the New Testament. As one fulfills the other, you may like it!
Go in Peace brother.