It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death.
NONE of the New Testament existed until after Christ's death.
He left the Apostles to run his Church.
He COMMISSIONED the Apostles to preach the Gospel unto all nations and all races.
Matthew 28 KJV 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
He didn't tell them to go into the world and set up pagan ritual centers. Let's define "church" while have the opportunity, the church is the Body Of Christ. Read your Bible. When you believe, your body becomes the Temple of the Lord, as do the bodies of all believers.
As various groups had wrong interpretations they had to formalize the teachings and put together the best documents to put together the Bible.
John 14:26 KJV But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16 KJV 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This is Jesus telling the Apostles that the Holy Spirit will make them remember what was spoken to them by Jesus, the Word of God, (the Gospels) and show them the truth of things to come (Epistles, Letters and Revelation.)
The Apostles wrote the Gospels, Epistles, Letters and Revelation. All of them finished before 100AD. Peeps were quoting from these works as early as 127AD. Study up on "Antioch texts."
And yes before the Catholic Church canonized the Bible there was no official Old Testament.
This is not true, a pagan catholic lie like their father lies. Jesus quoted from the OT and there are over 200 quotes of the OT in the writings of the NT. It was called the Tanakh and is believed to have been canonized somewhere between 400 to 200BC, by the Levites, scribes and other members of the OT priesthood.
Various Jewish groups had different books they thought were valid. Now the Pentateuch including Genesis was pretty universally accepted but the Catholic Church made the Greek version the Septuagint the official version since it was what was in more common use at the time.
The catholic version of the Old Testament includes the Apocrypha and I challenge you to find one verse from the Apocrypha that either Jesus or the Apostles quoted. They only quoted from the original 39 books of the Tanakh.
“It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death“
I didn’t write this like I intended. I meant many of the events in the New Testament occurred after Christ’s death.
As Catholics we believe in the Truth. Just because people were pagans didn’t mean they were cut off from the Truth. Aristotle used reason to get pretty close to the Truth. So one of the tools the Apostles used was to talk to people and learn their culture and discover what aspects of the Truth existed in their culture and build on those. Those that were not compatible needed to be pruned away.
Of course many of the books existed before 100AD. But there were also others not included. But The Apostles didn’t have to teach from the written word they actually knew Christ so taught from memory. We obviously have letters when they had to clear up misunderstandings of the various people. And after hundreds of years it should be obvious many false versions would be created. Which is why to combat this the Church had to formalize the Bible into the current cannon.
The Orthodox and some Jews also use the deuterocanonical books. Luther removed them to conform to his theology. I think there was a warning in the Bible about that.
The fact is if you only believe in the Bible you are free to interpret it anyway you want which ends up making it meaningless.
Hello u/trout007, I'm just combing through old posts/comments referencing Catholicism so that I can let people know that c/Catholic was created a few days ago. It's pretty quiet right now, but I'm hoping we can build it up. Next time you're on .win come by and check it out! God bless!
trout007 3 points 11 hours ago +3 / -0
It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death.
NONE of the New Testament existed until after Christ's death.
He left the Apostles to run his Church.
He COMMISSIONED the Apostles to preach the Gospel unto all nations and all races.
Matthew 28 KJV 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
He didn't tell them to go into the world and set up pagan ritual centers. Let's define "church" while have the opportunity, the church is the Body Of Christ. Read your Bible. When you believe, your body becomes the Temple of the Lord, as do the bodies of all believers.
As various groups had wrong interpretations they had to formalize the teachings and put together the best documents to put together the Bible.
John 14:26 KJV But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16 KJV 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This is Jesus telling the Apostles that the Holy Spirit will make them remember what was spoken to them by Jesus, the Word of God, (the Gospels) and show them the truth of things to come (Epistles, Letters and Revelation.)
The Apostles wrote the Gospels, Epistles, Letters and Revelation. All of them finished before 100AD. Peeps were quoting from these works as early as 127AD. Study up on "Antioch texts."
And yes before the Catholic Church canonized the Bible there was no official Old Testament.
This is not true, a pagan catholic lie like their father lies. Jesus quoted from the OT and there are over 200 quotes of the OT in the writings of the NT. It was called the Tanakh and is believed to have been canonized somewhere between 400 to 200BC, by the Levites, scribes and other members of the OT priesthood.
Various Jewish groups had different books they thought were valid. Now the Pentateuch including Genesis was pretty universally accepted but the Catholic Church made the Greek version the Septuagint the official version since it was what was in more common use at the time.
The catholic version of the Old Testament includes the Apocrypha and I challenge you to find one verse from the Apocrypha that either Jesus or the Apostles quoted. They only quoted from the original 39 books of the Tanakh.
u/trout007 u/PaleMale
Thanks for the conversation.
“It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death“
I didn’t write this like I intended. I meant many of the events in the New Testament occurred after Christ’s death.
As Catholics we believe in the Truth. Just because people were pagans didn’t mean they were cut off from the Truth. Aristotle used reason to get pretty close to the Truth. So one of the tools the Apostles used was to talk to people and learn their culture and discover what aspects of the Truth existed in their culture and build on those. Those that were not compatible needed to be pruned away.
Of course many of the books existed before 100AD. But there were also others not included. But The Apostles didn’t have to teach from the written word they actually knew Christ so taught from memory. We obviously have letters when they had to clear up misunderstandings of the various people. And after hundreds of years it should be obvious many false versions would be created. Which is why to combat this the Church had to formalize the Bible into the current cannon.
The Orthodox and some Jews also use the deuterocanonical books. Luther removed them to conform to his theology. I think there was a warning in the Bible about that.
The fact is if you only believe in the Bible you are free to interpret it anyway you want which ends up making it meaningless.
Hello u/trout007, I'm just combing through old posts/comments referencing Catholicism so that I can let people know that c/Catholic was created a few days ago. It's pretty quiet right now, but I'm hoping we can build it up. Next time you're on .win come by and check it out! God bless!