Yet if your oxygen saturation’s start dipping into the 60s your heart rate goes up. I had a Covid patient who we knew didn’t want intubation but the high flow oxygen was turned all the way up. He couldn’t catch his breath, breath rate 50 per minute.
We drew labs and EKG because chest pain, his heart rate 200s consistently. (Your heart pumps faster to get the oxygen out to the body, it compensates)
His labs showed the enzyme we check for when you have a heart attack. His heart was exhausted.
He asked what could be done and we said to put the tube in so it can push air harder. Otherwise he would have just coded and died of a heart attack anyway. He knew it, his chest was on fire. Those were his words.
He finally asked for the vent. That guy came back after the ICU and is doing better. We keep cheering him on.
So you can say no to the vent, but then there’s reality. What else would you do to treat this patient? Let us know and I will start giving others these options.
No one has a better answer. These people would die anyway with loss of consciousness, stroke or heart attack. Your body needs oxygen.
The damage done to his body before he needed a vent leads to poor outcomes.
You crash your car in a lake, you inhale water- someone pulls you out and does CPR. Yet, how long were you without oxygen? People can survive better if it was freezing water, but people can end up with brain damage.
This same damage to your body happens when you have consistent low oxygen levels. You just halved your oxygen needs for an hour and killed brain cells, the clock is ticking. Your cardiac function is declining, heart is starving for oxygen.
That damage is already done, you have to wait and see if the body can repair itself.
If you’ve gone too long without oxygen, and have other damage going on from an infection - needing the vent is a sign you aren’t doing well because it’s literally the last thing that can be done to restore oxygen levels.
There is no alternative.
Maybe someone will come up with a better option. High flow oxygen wasn’t in use before and that’s keeping people off vents.
Sometimes it us that need to solve problems. Some smart doctor or scientist needs to come up with a better treatment, but like I said, if you need that treatment it means your body is in crisis and damage has been done.
Could chest compression force enough air in and out to accomplish the same thing as ventilating? (I believe relatives and friends would be more than happy to keep non-stop chest compressions if it was a viable alternative to venting :)) And what about the old "iron lungs" they used for polio patients?
Isn't the thing with covid, peoples' lungs fill with fluid? If you don't do anything to get rid of the fluid in the lungs, forcing air in is just going to damage them.
All the people that die in the hospital on the vent due to "covid" are literally being murdered for blood money.
Yet if your oxygen saturation’s start dipping into the 60s your heart rate goes up. I had a Covid patient who we knew didn’t want intubation but the high flow oxygen was turned all the way up. He couldn’t catch his breath, breath rate 50 per minute.
We drew labs and EKG because chest pain, his heart rate 200s consistently. (Your heart pumps faster to get the oxygen out to the body, it compensates)
His labs showed the enzyme we check for when you have a heart attack. His heart was exhausted.
He asked what could be done and we said to put the tube in so it can push air harder. Otherwise he would have just coded and died of a heart attack anyway. He knew it, his chest was on fire. Those were his words.
He finally asked for the vent. That guy came back after the ICU and is doing better. We keep cheering him on.
So you can say no to the vent, but then there’s reality. What else would you do to treat this patient? Let us know and I will start giving others these options.
No one has a better answer. These people would die anyway with loss of consciousness, stroke or heart attack. Your body needs oxygen.
The damage done to his body before he needed a vent leads to poor outcomes.
You crash your car in a lake, you inhale water- someone pulls you out and does CPR. Yet, how long were you without oxygen? People can survive better if it was freezing water, but people can end up with brain damage.
This same damage to your body happens when you have consistent low oxygen levels. You just halved your oxygen needs for an hour and killed brain cells, the clock is ticking. Your cardiac function is declining, heart is starving for oxygen.
That damage is already done, you have to wait and see if the body can repair itself.
If you’ve gone too long without oxygen, and have other damage going on from an infection - needing the vent is a sign you aren’t doing well because it’s literally the last thing that can be done to restore oxygen levels.
There is no alternative.
Maybe someone will come up with a better option. High flow oxygen wasn’t in use before and that’s keeping people off vents.
Sometimes it us that need to solve problems. Some smart doctor or scientist needs to come up with a better treatment, but like I said, if you need that treatment it means your body is in crisis and damage has been done.
Could chest compression force enough air in and out to accomplish the same thing as ventilating? (I believe relatives and friends would be more than happy to keep non-stop chest compressions if it was a viable alternative to venting :)) And what about the old "iron lungs" they used for polio patients?
An EMS crew can perform compressions for only a limited time before being exhausted.
Lucas device can be used but could have limited duration.
Isn't the thing with covid, peoples' lungs fill with fluid? If you don't do anything to get rid of the fluid in the lungs, forcing air in is just going to damage them.
All the people that die in the hospital on the vent due to "covid" are literally being murdered for blood money.