Herein lies the rub of the discussion. You are asking downstream questions and you've determined to ignore the UPSTREAM question. This is the whole point of doctors Kaufman, Cowan, Lanka, Bailey assertions.

All of them have PROVED that no scientist has ever actually demonstrated the existence of any virus. The only thing virologists ever do is kill monkey cells and take pictures of particles of their cell debris and then call them "viruses". This is quite literally, the entire field of virology.

To add insult to injury, these virologists then claim that they cannot harvest any viruses out of a sick person's bodily fluids. One esteemed Yale virologist even claimed you can't find any viruses in the bronchial fluid of 10,000 sick people presumably having the same dis-ease - TEN THOUSAND samples!!! While on the other hand, you're told that when you're sick, you can cough/sneeze/breathe-out BILLIONS Of viruses, only one tiny minute particle of which can be inhaled by one of your family members and make them sick. Bwahahahaha!!!

And if that wasn't enough, thousands of us have researched the annals of medical and scientific experiments around attempting to demonstrate HUMAN-TO-HUMAN transmission of these viruses (and alleged bacterial infection too). We've found about a dozen thus far. All failed MISERABLY in transmitting a dis-ease from a sick to healthy person. They tried with "Spanish flu", polio, small pox, and a host of others including influenza. It appears the scientific community gave up even trying to do this in the 1950s, right around the time they invented the fraudulent "viral culturing" method of poisoning monkey kidney cells.

The virologists are now INVENTING viruses for the past 25 years, using software to randomly assemble fragmented RNA found in a single sick person's bronchial fluids. They did EXACTLY THIS from a single sample of a dead Wuhan man alleged to die of this "new mysterious dis-ease". They didn't find one single intact, whole "Coronavirus" in his bronchial fluid. They casually stitched together 10,000 tiny chunks of RNA (which was 100% his human RNA), while ignoring 20,000 other chunks that they claimed were "likely human in origin" into a pattern they invented out of thin air, all on their computers. The "in silico" virus was born. Can you not see this is nonsense?

A woman in Canada has been sending out FOIA requests to every health agency around the world asking them if they any evidence or samples of an actual "coronvirus" (SARS-COV2 specifically). She's had over 184 responses, including from the CDC/NIH, and none claim to have a sample.

There's a $1.5 million reward being offered to anybody that can come forward with an actual physical sample of SARS-COV2. No takers thus far.

In 2015, Dr. Stefan Lanka (a former virologist) challenged the world to produce any paper demonstrating proof of the measles virus offering a 100,000 Euro reward. Not a single virologist, immunologist, biologist or epidemiologist showed up to claim the money. And to wit, all of virology is based on the seminal 1954 Enders scientific paper for the measles virus, having invented the poisoning of the green monkey kidney cell (vero cells) "viral culturing" process. This is why Dr. Lanka chose the measles virus. Every "proof" that viruses exist today is based on the Enders viral culturing method.

John Enders did in fact run a CONTROL EXPERIMENT in his "breakthrough" 1954 measles viral culturing experiment. In it, he skipped the part where you're supposed to add the sick person's bodily fluids. which PRESUMABLY contain the "virus" itself, and simply went through the process of dousing the monkey kidney cells with POISON (aka "anti-biotics" --- "against-life"). And what did he find and write in his paper for all to see? That the results of the control experiment were INDISTINGUISHABLE from the primary experiment that included the human bodily fluids. Let that sink in. The so-called "Cytopahtic effect" (fancy word for death of tissue/cells) happened in both cases and one could not be distinguished from the other. Dr. Lanka ran the same experiment last summer, perfectly matching what Enders found. And yet, Ender's findings was completely ignored by the entire scientific community. Strange, no? And nobody since Enders has bothered to run any control experiments since for all the kajillions of "brand new viruses" that have been "discovered" since then. Even stranger, wouldn't you say?

Louis Pastuer admitted in his private diaries that the very public "anthrax" experiment that he became globally famous for, that he actually used his much-maligned veterinarian competitor's own "vaccine formula" instead of his own, as his was killing more than 50% of the sheep he tested it on. He went on to castigage, defame and berate his competitor, ruining his career, as he himself was lifted up as the great savior of mankind by the public. Pasteur also made-up all his results for his so-called "rabies vaccine", twisting figures, eliminating vaccine recipients for up to 14-days after their last round of painful rabies shots, as they were dying in droves. Further, whether or not a dog/animal had rabies was entirely up to the subjective opinion of the great doctor Pasteur. If somebody was bitten by a dog/animal and lived without getting Pasteur's toxic nostrum, then the dog/animal "didn't have rabies" according to Pasteur. And if a person died after getting Pasteur's nostrum (beyond 14 days), they were either "too late" or the bites received by the patient were "too damaging" and they were said to have really died of advanced infections or sepsis.

"Viruses" were theoretical all through Pasteur's career and well into the 1930s after the invention of the electron microscope. After scientists could see smaller particles for the first time, which "viruses" were theorized to be, they spent the next decade trying to isolate them as well as attempting to follow the very simple "Koch's Postulates" by giving these particles found in a sick person's bodily fluids to healthy people. After all these attempts failed miserably in the 1940s and early 1950s, we got the Enders experiment listed above.

Now, if you're not interested in understanding all these very simple FACTS, like it appears the majority aren't, then I can only ascribe this to you being trapped in your brainwashing. And I'm not saying that to offend you. I want you to look and see this, acknowledge this must be the case if you find nothing that I've said compelling or satisfactory to your inquiry.

Every single possible piece of UPSTREAM EVIDENCE suggests that there is no such thing as "viruses".

The only possible conclusion that can be drawn from all of the above is that there MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE going on. Wouldn't you agree?