To recap on the relevant part of the movie for this. In the movie, the final plan that Ramius and the Americans decided on (and the best plan if it were to work) was to have Ramius defect to the USA with the Red October submarine while convincing the Soviets that the Red October had been sunk and destroyed.
Ramius had an option to get off of the Red October along with the rest of his crew when he engineered the nuclear problem (see Part I).
However, he did not choose this option. Let’s imagine the chain of events had he taken this option. Moscow had asked the USA to intervene and shoot down the Red October on the premise that Ramius went rogue and wanted to fire nukes at the USA.
If Ramius had successfully defected to the USA and Moscow knew about it, Moscow would not be able to save face. Both the Soviets and the USA would know about the “caterpillar” technology the Soviets developed with the purpose of having nuclear warheads reach American shores undetected.
Moscow would then feel equally unsafe about the Red October being in the hands of the Americans. Nuclear tensions between the two countries would have gone through the roof and diplomatic relations could have broken down.
The consequences would have been incalculable. Ramius plan to remain inside the Red October to stage a “false flag” sinking of his own sub would have been the highest “yield” solution for both countries and for himself.
So how does this relate to Zelensky, Putin, Trump and the war in Ukraine right now?
My hypothesis is based on the premise that the current war is according to the plans of Trump and that Zelensky is not who he seems to be.
If you are of the view that Zelensky if simply a hypocrite or a defender of the deep state and are unwilling to entertain another possibility, then you should read no further.
First, the background of Zelensky. He was born and raised in Kryvyi Rih as a Russian speaker. He only learned Ukrainian and English afterwards.
His grandfather fought in the Red Army against the Nazis in the Second World War. His grandfather’s three other brothers all died by the Nazis.
Zelensky’s main platform for winning the election was to bring about a peace deal in Eastern Ukraine or the Donbass region.
Now let’s assume Zelensky genuinely wants peace in Donbass. When he came to power, what would have stopped him if he just wanted to make a straight deal with the Russians for peace?
The answer is very public now but it wasn’t so obvious back then to everybody in the West. The Nazis, Azov battalion, other rogue fighter groups, extremists in Ukraine financed by the US Deep State essentially would hold a legitimate Ukrainian government hostage.
Why couldn’t Trump just solve the problem himself you might ask?
Root out the evils in Ukraine while he was still in office and had power. Think about how dangerous that would have been for Trump had the current story not fully come out?
Kolomoisky and Soros funding of the Nazis would have done their best to push Russia into action in Ukraine. What could Trump do at that point? Bioweapons released for false flag attacks by the Russians, the media screaming Russian collusion.
It would be a horrible situation to be in. It had to be this way. Trump had to step away to let the Deep State reveal itself.
Now that we have the context of the whole situation in view, what can we begin to see?
We can begin to see what we need to get from this Ukraine war in the big picture of things.
We need to reveal the extent of Biden and Deep State corruption in the Ukraine.
We need to destroy the Nazi army occupation in the Ukraine.
We need to neutralize the biolabs in Ukraine to prevent false flags and another pandemic from happening.
There’s probably more that we cannot see, but what we can see is more than enough to paint the picture.
The evil that resides in Ukraine is our Red October.
Hence, Zelensky or Putin can fill the role of Ramius in our story.
Remember the posts that Zelensky was actually communicating with Putin in telling him exactly where to bomb?
Of course, none of this can be confirmed. There are things that will never be revealed to the public. But I have a feeling that by the time this war is over, Zelensky, Putin and Trump will have all achieved exactly what they wanted in the very beginning.
Zelensky will rid his country of the Nazi battalions that have essentially overthrown the regular army.
There will be peace in Donbass via a treaty with Putin.
Putin will have achieved a purge of all the US biolabs in Ukraine, secured a neutral Ukraine and peace in the Donbass region.
Trump will have shown the American people just how far Biden was willing to go to protect his corrupt dealings with Ukraine.
If you can see the big picture, you will see that it had to be this way and that the best is yet to come.
Edited for spacing.
Zelensky is the defender in this war after all he has the moral high ground in the most people's eyes still. It's difficult to see why you think he would get a death sentence.
It doesn't have to end with Zelensky being hailed as a hero. I don't think that's the plan either. The role he plays just has to help achieve the needed results: Donbass stable, Nazis gone, Biolabs gone, Biden corruption in the open and perhaps some other things we cannot see.
And some things that are completely visible: war crimes. Allowing or directing the armed forces to take positions in civilian settings: hospitals, schools, apartment blocks, kindergartens, private property, houses. Attempting to arm citizens turns them into non-combatant threats (not wearing the uniform of a combatant) and they become cannon fodder. In short, human shields, which is a clear-cut war crime. It's like the Vice Department allowing a snitch to literally get away with murder as the allowable "casualty" of doing business with him. Zelensky knows this and is fighting like a feral rat for his own life. He is no hero. He is evidently hiding out in Przemsyl, Poland, where he makes green-screen videos, and his whole family has been evacuated from Ukraine. He is sucking up to the U.S. because they are complicit in what has been happening in Ukraine and will give him a free pass.
All this double-agent double-think is crap. People are responsible for what they do, no matter what hat they are wearing. If any Azovites are not cleaned up, his life will not be worth a plugged nickel.
I see your point. But you are basing your conclusions on the fact that you know for a fact exactly what Zelensky is doing and what his specific commands are.
Please see the following video by Vice of all people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMXuKB0BoY
The Ukrainian government has long since lost control of their regular armies. It's happened since 2014 ever since Obama sent Poroshenko to topple the legitimate elected government with the help of the Nazi militia via the Maidan revolution.
I kind of responded by way of my response to Molog. As for the video, thanks, but I really don't have time to do "check out this video, dude". You should compress its meaning into a sentence and then indicate how long it is, just as a courtesy, so the potential viewer has some idea of what is in the package and what the price is.
Sure, the video illustrates how the official Ukrainian army and hence the militia is not in control of the state of affairs. And it shows that they have not been for awhile.
As ActTwo said you should look a little closer, it's the Azov that are doing the damage.
If you step back you'll know that the regular Ukrainian army isn't doing it, it's the Nazi doing it.
Zelensky could or could not be the one ordering them around, but knowing what we know now Azov is being funded by the DS.
Zelensky is a puppet, it just depends who's puppet he is.
Yes, the Azovites are flagrantly doing this---and worse. Unfortunately, certain things come with being the head of government, and being responsible for rogue forces is one of them. He should have welcomed the assistance of Russia to bring them to heel---but obviously he didn't. He should have ordered them to surrender at Mariupol---but he told them to hang in there (and sacrifice themselves as a delaying tactic against the Russians). Well, the Azovites knew there was no way out for them.
But he is still responsible for the attempt to turn ordinary civilians into non-combatant cannon-fodder. That is entirely on him. He works for Kolomoisky (who has fled), so he is not a white hat. Everything he is doing in the light of day is an attempt to preserve the Deep State enclave called Ukraine. He is hopeless, both for us and for himself. This idea that he is some secret agent against the Deep State is sheer fancy. It's like thinking he has a unicorn in his pocket.
Yes yes, that's the whole bloody point of this post though, if he's supposed to be a double agent, why would he be welcoming the Russians?
Did you even read the post?
It looks like your objecting to people speculating and theory crafting on Zelenskies actions.
This whole post by OP is a speculation on the actor zelensky being a double flop, he's following all the orders he's being given by the DS so as to expose them at a later date. The narrative doesn't work if he breaks ranks early.
If zelensky did as you suggested from the start, the narrative around him and Ukraine would be completely different.
If the goal is to reach mass Awakening people must see the corruption unequivocally.
Please note I haven't said I believe the theory itself.
Just that your argument doesn't make sense in the context of what OP is laying out.
You appear to be saying
"Zelensky can't be a double agent because he did these things"
While OP is saying
"Despite what we see there is more to the situation if you scratch the surface level actions"
Your arguments says it impossible that a double agent would let bad things happen and that if he was working for the whitehats he would have done XYZ and never would have let ABC happen.
Please note I did not say he is a whitehat either, just that the theory requires you entertain the notion that the whitehats have taken control or the means of control over certain world leaders. ie "Strings have been cut"