Apparently we need to "get our heads out of our asses"...
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Do u have a street corner to go yell at or something? Seriously, the worst angle to Q stuff is it has given fuel to the fire of the evangelical hallucinating Christian types. The frothing at the mouth “everything is Proof of Jesus second coming” types. And it’s insane. Jesus had his time. Nothin wrong with letting him into your heart and believing, but if you think he is coming back and redeeming the world - again - then not only did you miss the timeline laid out in the New Testament but also you kinda missed the whole point of the New Testament.
That point is - the world is now in our hands. Sure. Ultimately in the end, god wins, so you die and if you had faith in god of some kind during life you’re better off in whatever “judgement” truly is after death - but it does not mean god or Jesus are coming in riding a unicorn and smiting all the baddies here on earth in the “now”.
When a time to band together is needed, the last thing we need are religious zealots speaking in tongues - why? - because those days when that was all it took to cull the masses together ended 100s of years back for most of modern societies. We have a system in place - use it - otherwise risk isolating yourselves from being able to truly help people across the spectrum of politics to come together and potentially turning them off completely. This DOES NOT MEAN hide your faith or lose your faith, this just means chill the fuck out and learn to interact with others about this in a sensible way that isn’t “herpaderrr jeeeeeeyyyyzzzuusssssss coming back oh lord JEEEEEESUS is the way we save allllllll of this hdlelspdbevebdhekwjw!!!”. Do that shit among your congregation or whatever, but save it when it comes to “the plan”.
Example - do you suddenly “convert” and believe and trust in what extreme liberals say when they push atheism or Marxism? No? Why not? Does it drive more distance between you? Why’s that? Because that’s what religious/ideological bs does when proselytizing as if one is 100% correct and the right choice for everyone always everywhere. I swear, you MF are a stain on Christianity the same way marxists extremists/fundamentalists are - because your entire identity is wrapped up in an ideology or religion and still wonder why you isolate or polarize people.
Inb4 some nutter fundamentalist starts throwing quotes from the Bible at me in rebuttal without realizing they’re solidifying my point.
Inb4 some of the same nutter fundamentalists can’t be logical and critical enough with their thought to realize I’m NOT SAYING Jesus didn’t exist or isn’t a path to god ffs
Respect the effort, and agreed, Jesus is not going to stop your kid being flash mob brutalised to death on a street corner.
Thx appreciate the solidarity (aaaaaand now I do sound like a leftist)
Finding Jesus or god for oneself is great and if your kid found it before being brutalized to death then they will be saved in their own right… however if they were taught “god loves you, but now it is on you” then perhaps they would have some fight in them.
Christians are every bit as delusional as Muslims. The people are so deluded that they don't even know that half of what they've known about God is a lie. Their doctines either aren't biblical at all or are only partially correct and they're the most self-righteous, judgmental prigs in the history of mankind.
Fuck them and their false christ.
“See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. 17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. 20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. 22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
(Jude 1:14-23)
It’s not all Christian’s, just a large portion (perhaps majority at this point?) and of the ultra modern christins (Pentecostalism for example)
Eh I mean I don’t know if it’s the false Christ or not, not really for me to say as I don’t have near enough facts or evidence one way or another.
Hard disagree on the whole "Jesus isn't coming back" stuff, the Book of Revelation has essentially Final Destination'ed us into requiring God to clean up our shit, again.
I question religion and the Bible the same way we here question media and govt.
With that in mind - how can one trust anything in the New Testament except for the gospels? And even then with a grain of salt ?
Inb4 some ignorant liberal type bullshit if “I just KNOW because I can feel it” or something
Again - I’m not anti Christian or anti god ffs, use the brain god gave you and think critically about all this.
I'm not a religious scholar, nor am I going to claim to be one. I'm not super well versed into Biblical lore, either, but if you want to try and discount the Book of Revelation, you create structural issues in the Bible. Jesus is supposed to be the Messiah, and while he meets most requirements, the question of "Why hasn't the Messianic age been issued to us?" raises issues with a "Just the gospels" take like yours.
Just to be clear, the Messianic age is supposed to be an era of global peace, lasting up to a millennia in some thoughts. There has been 0 continuous period of global peace since the first coming of Jesus to the world. This creates a few possibilities, either that Jesus is supposed to come again at some point in time, to fulfill the Messianic prophecies, that Jesus isn't the Messiah but still is supposed to be the Son of God, which starts to contradict itself, since Jesus is given titles like "Lord of the Sabbath", or "Christ", both being references back to claiming the status of Messiah, or that the original prophecies of the Messiah are bunk, which wouldn't make a lot of sense, either, since Jesus himself refers back to those writings.
The only thing that would resemble a self-consistent writing requires the return of Jesus to fulfill the last few parts of the Messianic prophecies, and that's where the Book of Revelation fits in. To my knowledge, there is no other writing, Book, or apocrypha that foretells of Jesus's 2nd coming in a way that explicitly rules out Revelation as happening, while one can draw obvious parallels to a number of the Seals spoken of in Revelation 6 in current events.
Fundamentalist nutter in with a Bible quote:
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revalation 19:11-16)
And you feel revelation applies to anything metaphysical how? Or how it applies to the modern current times?
Given that it is not Christ’s words or story, and just a warning from John of potmos to the Christian folk at the time of a pending attempt to rid them of the earth.
1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. (Rev. 1:1-3)
I didn’t say it doesn’t mention Christ - I said it’s not Christ’s words nor Christs story. Those are the only two things in New Testament that can be corroborated about Christ - the few quotes of his words in the gospels, and the gospel itself Aka the story of Christ.
Revelation is literally a letter from a man, not an apostle, Saint, or god - a man - a Christian man - one who is imprisoned in exile with the Greeks. The letter is a warning to Christian’s at the time who lived in the Roman Empire (notice the word “soon” - do you take 2000 years as being “soon”?). It is written in code, and has thoroughly been studied by theologians - and there are many many many references/symbolism putting the warning together that apply directly to Roman Empire and it’s emperors and the Christian’s at the time, as far as giving direction to which groups living where and where to flee to for safety.
It’s like if you took the CLEARLY symbolic letters directing slave sympathizers on how to take and follow the Underground Railroad and decided “no no these letters were meant for an alien civilization in the year 4000”
Like dude, use your brain god gave you. It’s not a sin to question THE LETTERS OF A MAN which were conveniently entered into the New Testament bout a council of the OG deep state.
Look, it’s as simple as this, sheep:
“Everything herein that I say is gods word and I testify so to it having been an angel sent to me verifying it is gods word and christs testimony”
If I said that before my comments, would you suddenly believe it? Why or why not?
It’s cute and all that revelation has mysticism about it, and it adds to the intrigue that it is 1900 years old - it it doesn’t change the fact it is a man, telling YOU that what he says is the word of god. Despite the fact he didn’t walk with Christ on earth and doesn’t have scrolls (either canonized or not) which support what he said as being anything more than a letter of warning to Christian’s of Rome.
The gospels on the other hand, have corroborating evidence, physical evidence supporting certain pieces, non canonized scrolls supporting most of it, etc - so that is why if one wants to be of Christ’s flock of those who are awake instead of simply being a sheep, it requires questioning heavidly anything that is not the gospel of Christ and claims to be.
Think for yourself - question authority. I’m out.
I can agree to some extent. Personally not atheist, just not a diehard fanatical “anything”. I find it to be a disgusting arrogant ego flaw to be that’s at - again, similar to how extremist leftists think they are 100% right and their way is the correct best and only way.
Of course I’ll get dogpiled one by the fundamentalists as if I’m a fan plant or bot or something. You know, again similar to how the left treats anyone who questions them and their ever more extreme narratives.