Trying to decide if you're serious enough to respond to.
If you want to say every place in the world changed sides by force of arms, fair enough. The Jews won against Islam, so now it's theirs.
If you want to say some people have an ancestral attachment to the land, then Jews have that.
I often wonder ....
Mecca is the city Muslims pray to.
Suppose Mecca was conquered by China. They killed a lot of Muslims, threw many out, and destroyed much of the city, including the Kaaba. Demolished it into a pile of rubble.
Let's say China holds onto Mecca for 500 years.
Then China loses its grip on Mecca, losing it to a country that doesn't even exist yet. Let's called it Toobies to pick a word out of thin air.
So the nation of Tooby shows up, drives out the Chinese, and then takes over Mecca. The Toobys hold Mecca, we'll say 200 years.
Some Muslims show up after having been disposed. For 700 years they held the dream of getting back to their holy city. The get a bunch of themselves together, and drive out the Toobys, reclaiming Mecca.
Now the Toobys say: "Hey! What are you Muslims doing? That is our ancestral homeland! We've been there 200 years, you thieves!"
Would the Muslims care?
Or would they say: "Fuck you, this was our central religious point for thousands of years, heck we had it before you were even on the map! And we're home now, so fuck off!"
Which is pretty much what Jews get to say now that they returned to Jerusalem.
Not sure how to answer, because there are so many answers to the question "What is a jew?" for one, "What is the 'jewish' culture apart from historic stories that actually don't show the thread, what is a non-practicing jew, what would the term 'the jews 'returned' to jerusalem, mean to semites who never left and so on.
Definitively speaking, to qualify as a country/nation/people, one is supposed to show a history with some continuity, a define-able area, unique cultural features
and language. No people speak ancient Hebrew and Yiddish is a recent invention. Since none of it's self professed members of this 'race' of blonde redheaded brunettes of all races can Agree upon what a jew is, maybe "Creed" might be a better fit since it's equally generic in definition as "a set of beliefs".
Let's say Helen Thomas said that a Khazarian or a European or any non-semite convert is not a Semite and therefore doesn't have a 'homeland' in what used to be called Palestine, except by imagined myth?
What then? Is she right.....wrong.....or a witch?
You going to attack anyone who brings up what she asked, the same way she was attacked when bringing it up? It can't really be refuted in any rational way.
She's a witch doesn't qualify, nor does a hypothetical history example that never happened.
A semite can be a jew or a muslim or an arab or Luciferian Cabalist Zionist, or a non-practicing snake handler, or.....anything as long as he's based in the land of semites.
I find the infighting cousins in denial need another Guide For The Perplexed
Hints galore in all religions that the closer one gets to the inner truth that binds all things, that is the 'inner sanctum', 'chosen people', "the elect' and so on.
They don't have arguments, they discuss the cultural similarities in their understandings, not the differences due to its lacking.
"Bound to blood and soil" one is not yet reborn."
The Chosen of Israel is not an official group or religion.
Israel isn't even a place, nor 'The Promised Land' a physical site.
That is exactly why the Man of the Law, Ra Moses out of Egypt never 'saw' it.
He and his generations rest "In the bosom of Abraham", also not a place.
Hiram Abif lies a smolderin in the grave and the evidence of the true story is lost in the flood of disinformation.
The only common thread currently existing in the culture of Law and Literalism, is the Creed of Greed and the need to censor the truth.
Even the word "Semite" is a relatively recent invention.
Yes, Arabs and Jews are both Semites. That does not make them interchangeable.
Frenchmen and Germans are both Caucasian, European nations. That does not make them interchangeable, nor does it mean they get to freely occupy each other's territory.
And I imagine English and Irish are of a similar genetic stock as well. I guess that's why they always got along swimmingly.
Judaism is a belief structure shared by a common group of people. YET, you can still join that group if you wish. Just like you can be from Africa or Asia and make your way to England or America, take the oath, and become a lawful member just like everyone else.
EVEN if one is descended from a Khazarian convert rather than the tribe of Judah, one is still a Jew. Ruth was the first convert, and from her line comes King David, and from his line will come the Messiah.
So saying: "Hey, you're not of Semitic stock!" Doesn't matter. They accepted the spiritual inheritance, and get to be part of the nation.
This "You have to be a Semite in the land of Semites." Well, you made that up. You can use that argument, I suppose. Then a lot of countries are in trouble. The United States must be returned in full to the Native Americans. Anyone white in South Africa had better leave now. And so forth.
At least Jews are the descendants of an actual kingdom that was in the last of Eretz Yisrael for hundreds of years. Most Americans don't even have that.
And what rights to the Muslism have? You make it sound like they won convert through persuasion and logic. Not so. Jihad. Invasion and give the local population a choice to "Convert or Die." Or if you were a monotheist "Convert, Die, or live under our Jim Crow system."
Trying to decide if you're serious enough to respond to.
If you want to say every place in the world changed sides by force of arms, fair enough. The Jews won against Islam, so now it's theirs.
If you want to say some people have an ancestral attachment to the land, then Jews have that.
I often wonder ....
Mecca is the city Muslims pray to.
Suppose Mecca was conquered by China. They killed a lot of Muslims, threw many out, and destroyed much of the city, including the Kaaba. Demolished it into a pile of rubble.
Let's say China holds onto Mecca for 500 years.
Then China loses its grip on Mecca, losing it to a country that doesn't even exist yet. Let's called it Toobies to pick a word out of thin air.
So the nation of Tooby shows up, drives out the Chinese, and then takes over Mecca. The Toobys hold Mecca, we'll say 200 years.
Some Muslims show up after having been disposed. For 700 years they held the dream of getting back to their holy city. The get a bunch of themselves together, and drive out the Toobys, reclaiming Mecca.
Now the Toobys say: "Hey! What are you Muslims doing? That is our ancestral homeland! We've been there 200 years, you thieves!"
Would the Muslims care?
Or would they say: "Fuck you, this was our central religious point for thousands of years, heck we had it before you were even on the map! And we're home now, so fuck off!"
Which is pretty much what Jews get to say now that they returned to Jerusalem.
Not sure how to answer, because there are so many answers to the question "What is a jew?" for one, "What is the 'jewish' culture apart from historic stories that actually don't show the thread, what is a non-practicing jew, what would the term 'the jews 'returned' to jerusalem, mean to semites who never left and so on.
Definitively speaking, to qualify as a country/nation/people, one is supposed to show a history with some continuity, a define-able area, unique cultural features and language. No people speak ancient Hebrew and Yiddish is a recent invention. Since none of it's self professed members of this 'race' of blonde redheaded brunettes of all races can Agree upon what a jew is, maybe "Creed" might be a better fit since it's equally generic in definition as "a set of beliefs".
Let's say Helen Thomas said that a Khazarian or a European or any non-semite convert is not a Semite and therefore doesn't have a 'homeland' in what used to be called Palestine, except by imagined myth?
What then? Is she right.....wrong.....or a witch?
You going to attack anyone who brings up what she asked, the same way she was attacked when bringing it up? It can't really be refuted in any rational way. She's a witch doesn't qualify, nor does a hypothetical history example that never happened.
A semite can be a jew or a muslim or an arab or Luciferian Cabalist Zionist, or a non-practicing snake handler, or.....anything as long as he's based in the land of semites.
I find the infighting cousins in denial need another Guide For The Perplexed Hints galore in all religions that the closer one gets to the inner truth that binds all things, that is the 'inner sanctum', 'chosen people', "the elect' and so on. They don't have arguments, they discuss the cultural similarities in their understandings, not the differences due to its lacking.
"Bound to blood and soil" one is not yet reborn."
The Chosen of Israel is not an official group or religion. Israel isn't even a place, nor 'The Promised Land' a physical site. That is exactly why the Man of the Law, Ra Moses out of Egypt never 'saw' it. He and his generations rest "In the bosom of Abraham", also not a place.
Hiram Abif lies a smolderin in the grave and the evidence of the true story is lost in the flood of disinformation.
The only common thread currently existing in the culture of Law and Literalism, is the Creed of Greed and the need to censor the truth.
So you totally avoid my question.
Even the word "Semite" is a relatively recent invention.
Yes, Arabs and Jews are both Semites. That does not make them interchangeable.
Frenchmen and Germans are both Caucasian, European nations. That does not make them interchangeable, nor does it mean they get to freely occupy each other's territory.
And I imagine English and Irish are of a similar genetic stock as well. I guess that's why they always got along swimmingly.
Judaism is a belief structure shared by a common group of people. YET, you can still join that group if you wish. Just like you can be from Africa or Asia and make your way to England or America, take the oath, and become a lawful member just like everyone else.
EVEN if one is descended from a Khazarian convert rather than the tribe of Judah, one is still a Jew. Ruth was the first convert, and from her line comes King David, and from his line will come the Messiah.
So saying: "Hey, you're not of Semitic stock!" Doesn't matter. They accepted the spiritual inheritance, and get to be part of the nation.
This "You have to be a Semite in the land of Semites." Well, you made that up. You can use that argument, I suppose. Then a lot of countries are in trouble. The United States must be returned in full to the Native Americans. Anyone white in South Africa had better leave now. And so forth.
At least Jews are the descendants of an actual kingdom that was in the last of Eretz Yisrael for hundreds of years. Most Americans don't even have that.
And what rights to the Muslism have? You make it sound like they won convert through persuasion and logic. Not so. Jihad. Invasion and give the local population a choice to "Convert or Die." Or if you were a monotheist "Convert, Die, or live under our Jim Crow system."
Is that your moral method of acquiring territory?