Pardon me for being late to the party, I was "off" yesterday.
Fat_Moco [S] 2 points 1 day ago +2 / -0 And if we remember the recently, miraculously freed Israelites in the wilderness, they were losing their faith quickly when things got tough. Some chose to create idols. We should not be surprised if such things happen again from within the church.
Are you sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the coming of the Lord or not? Eternally secure? I can go fetch some scriptures if needed.
Let's face it, the church has adopted pegan rituals and false doctrines which will have to be forgotten before the Kingdom.
Yes, at satan's seat, they most certainly have. I'm not naming names.
(See Joel). Actually I think I should have said see Hosea. But both make references to the wilderness time before the Kingdom.
For the nation of Israel. They are taken into captivity again, Christ returns and leads them home.
Where in Revelations does it say "church" after chapter 5? Not again until chapter 19.
I intend to keep reading and studying not because I have any worry about my own salvation. But because I want to be used however God wants to use me in bringing about his kingdom. And when I look at the scriptures I see Jesus warning us of severe tests of faith in the coming times. I don't see him saying that his warnings are just for the Jews or the unbeliever.
Actually. Consider them though. When the beast rises, some of them will reject the beast just from natural disgust for tyranny and degeneracy. And we are going to have a greater role in leading them to Christ. But not if we're unprepared. And certainly not if we're floating around in the clouds.
And we are going to have a greater role in leading them to Christ.
Exactly
Revelation 1 KJV 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the -->prince of the kings of the earth.<-- Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Very first chapter in Revelation, already in Heaven, before any seals are broken, are those washed in the blood of Christ. This is very specific and it can only be the church, the body of Christ.
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
We are made KINGS and PRIESTS. To RULE and to TEACH. We sit in judgement of the angels, right? We are given cities to rule over, right? Flesh makes it through to the Millennial, when satan is let out of the pit at the end of the thousand years, he deceives the nations again, gathering them against the saints. We are ONE FLESH with Christ after the marriage supper, we will have the mind of Christ, this is for the purpose of us leading unbelievers to their salvation during the thousand years.
(bonus study - satan is chained in the pit for a the thousand years for one reason; it takes away the human excuse that it is satan's fault that we sin.)
Understand something else, there are angels among us now. Some as unseen spirits, some may be manifested in the flesh, maybe they can switch back and forth. This is well known (unfortunately, there are also demonic spirits.) The believers in Christ are the angels of the millennial. He will be resting during this 7th Day/ 7,000th year period, we will be the ones ministering during this time (and probably forever) with the King of Kings as our Prince.
Lots of assumptions here. Why wouldn't Jesus just include the rapture in the timeline he taught? Instead he teaches a timeline that makes a pre-trib rapture impossible. It's his own prophecy. You're inadvertently suggesting that he both failed to mentioned it and warned us not to add anything to his prophecy, but at the same time expects us to stitch together vague clues? And for what. What purpose do we serve the Kingdom by being absent when the unsaved need us most? During the testing of the world in tribulations.
Matthew 24 KJV 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
This is the "catching up" of the church. This is not Christ coming down to Earth, defeating Gog and Magog, restoring Israel and setting up the Millennial Kingdom.
What purpose do we serve the Kingdom by being absent when the unsaved need us most? During the testing of the world in tribulations.
The people of Israel require signs. God is going to give them signs. He doesn't need our help casting the stars of Heaven down to Earth. They'll get the message. Now once they believe, after the tribulation, with the New Testament being an entirely foreign book to them, guess who shows them the Way?
Pardon me for being late to the party, I was "off" yesterday.
Fat_Moco [S] 2 points 1 day ago +2 / -0 And if we remember the recently, miraculously freed Israelites in the wilderness, they were losing their faith quickly when things got tough. Some chose to create idols. We should not be surprised if such things happen again from within the church.
Are you sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the coming of the Lord or not? Eternally secure? I can go fetch some scriptures if needed.
Let's face it, the church has adopted pegan rituals and false doctrines which will have to be forgotten before the Kingdom.
Yes, at satan's seat, they most certainly have. I'm not naming names.
(See Joel). Actually I think I should have said see Hosea. But both make references to the wilderness time before the Kingdom.
For the nation of Israel. They are taken into captivity again, Christ returns and leads them home.
Where in Revelations does it say "church" after chapter 5? Not again until chapter 19.
I intend to keep reading and studying not because I have any worry about my own salvation. But because I want to be used however God wants to use me in bringing about his kingdom. And when I look at the scriptures I see Jesus warning us of severe tests of faith in the coming times. I don't see him saying that his warnings are just for the Jews or the unbeliever.
Actually. Consider them though. When the beast rises, some of them will reject the beast just from natural disgust for tyranny and degeneracy. And we are going to have a greater role in leading them to Christ. But not if we're unprepared. And certainly not if we're floating around in the clouds.
And we are going to have a greater role in leading them to Christ.
Exactly
Revelation 1 KJV 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the -->prince of the kings of the earth.<-- Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Very first chapter in Revelation, already in Heaven, before any seals are broken, are those washed in the blood of Christ. This is very specific and it can only be the church, the body of Christ.
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
We are made KINGS and PRIESTS. To RULE and to TEACH. We sit in judgement of the angels, right? We are given cities to rule over, right? Flesh makes it through to the Millennial, when satan is let out of the pit at the end of the thousand years, he deceives the nations again, gathering them against the saints. We are ONE FLESH with Christ after the marriage supper, we will have the mind of Christ, this is for the purpose of us leading unbelievers to their salvation during the thousand years.
(bonus study - satan is chained in the pit for a the thousand years for one reason; it takes away the human excuse that it is satan's fault that we sin.)
Understand something else, there are angels among us now. Some as unseen spirits, some may be manifested in the flesh, maybe they can switch back and forth. This is well known (unfortunately, there are also demonic spirits.) The believers in Christ are the angels of the millennial. He will be resting during this 7th Day/ 7,000th year period, we will be the ones ministering during this time (and probably forever) with the King of Kings as our Prince.
Lots of assumptions here. Why wouldn't Jesus just include the rapture in the timeline he taught? Instead he teaches a timeline that makes a pre-trib rapture impossible. It's his own prophecy. You're inadvertently suggesting that he both failed to mentioned it and warned us not to add anything to his prophecy, but at the same time expects us to stitch together vague clues? And for what. What purpose do we serve the Kingdom by being absent when the unsaved need us most? During the testing of the world in tribulations.
He did include it -
Matthew 24 KJV 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
This is the "catching up" of the church. This is not Christ coming down to Earth, defeating Gog and Magog, restoring Israel and setting up the Millennial Kingdom.
What purpose do we serve the Kingdom by being absent when the unsaved need us most? During the testing of the world in tribulations.
The people of Israel require signs. God is going to give them signs. He doesn't need our help casting the stars of Heaven down to Earth. They'll get the message. Now once they believe, after the tribulation, with the New Testament being an entirely foreign book to them, guess who shows them the Way?