where to find the original bible text?

posted 2 years ago by filthycasul 2 years ago by filthycasul +28 / -0

need it for research purposes but I can't find it :D

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– Andy_Man45 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

My guess is that the originals are buried within the vatican. Maybe burnt to a crisp by now. They most certainly will not share them, this I know. Not good for bizness.

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– CoolAsACucumber -1 points 2 years ago +1 / -2

THEN YOU HAVE NO PROOF DUMBFUCK. Get your head out of your ass.

There is no Syrian Bible from the 1st-2nd century that we have available. Quit making shit up to support your theories and provide some actual proof and sources.

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Byzantine type text came from Asia Minor.

Vaticanus and Sinaiticus came out of Alexandria, Egypt.

Egypt was full of woke Gnostic scholars who edited the original manuscripts like they did the works of Homer, and made many changes, something the book of Revelation commands us not to do.

The reason those documents are the "oldest" is because nobody read them.

The early Church fathers such as Tertullian and Iraneus quoted the Bible in their writings. Those quotes verify the Byzantine type text as authentic.

Edit - u/CoolaAsACucumber can only downvote because he will lose any real debate.

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– CoolAsACucumber 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

If you don't have a Bible from the 1st-2nd Century AD you cannot compare the differences/similarities of it to one that is made now. Unless early Church fathers quoted the full Biblical text, you cannot know if there were any changes that were in texts that weren't quoted. This is logic that a 5 year old can understand.

Vaticanus and Sinaiticus came out of Alexandria, Egypt.

There is no proof of that, just suggestions because of its similarity to Papyrus 75.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus#Text-type

The reason those documents are the "oldest" is because nobody read them.

Please explain, that makes no sense.

Also if you can please show any sources that Egyptians edited the texts of Homer, I'd be interested in that as well.

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I can compare the Old Testament texts with the Dead Sea Scroll fragments and I have.

I've also found quotes from early Church fathers and compared them as well.

If I discover missing verses such as Acts 8:37 quoted by the early Church fathers, I conclude the modern Bibles are forgeries. The fact Vaticanus wasn't copied multiple times until it wore out and was lost to history only provides further confirmation.

If you can't understand why the age of a text has nothing to do with its authenticity, I'm not sure you'll ever understand why the authenticity is better determined by the number of copies in existence that agree with each other in the case of physical manuscripts, especially when believers consider the texts in question to be the Word of God.

Zenodotus was the father of the Alexandrine grammarians, and they continued in his traditions for centuries. As you can see, the Alexandrian scholars were known for literary criticism, which included altering lines.

Although he has been reproached with arbitrariness and insufficient knowledge of Greek, his recension undoubtedly laid a sound foundation for future criticism. Having collated the different manuscripts in the library, he expunged or obelized doubtful verses, transposed or altered lines, and introduced new readings. It is probable that he was responsible for the division of the Homeric poems into twenty-four books each, and possibly was the author of the calculation of the days of the Iliad in the Tabula Iliaca.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenodotus

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– CoolAsACucumber 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 10)

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103110.htm

As I have already observed, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although scattered throughout the whole world, yet, as if occupying but one house, carefully preserves it. She also believes these points [of doctrine] just as if she had but one soul, and one and the same heart, and she proclaims them, and teaches them, and hands them down, with perfect harmony, as if she possessed only one mouth. For, although the languages of the world are dissimilar, yet the import of the tradition is one and the same. For the Churches which have been planted in Germany do not believe or hand down anything different, nor do those in Spain, nor those in Gaul, nor those in the East, nor those in Egypt, nor those in Libya, nor those which have been established in the central regions of the world. But as the sun, that creature of God, is one and the same throughout the whole world, so also the preaching of the truth shines everywhere, and enlightens all men that are willing to come to a knowledge of the truth. Nor will any one of the rulers in the Churches, however highly gifted he may be in point of eloquence, teach doctrines different from these (for no one is greater than the Master); nor, on the other hand, will he who is deficient in power of expression inflict injury on the tradition. For the faith being ever one and the same, neither does one who is able at great length to discourse regarding it, make any addition to it, nor does one, who can say but little diminish it.

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