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If you don't have a Bible from the 1st-2nd Century AD you cannot compare the differences/similarities of it to one that is made now. Unless early Church fathers quoted the full Biblical text, you cannot know if there were any changes that were in texts that weren't quoted. This is logic that a 5 year old can understand.
There is no proof of that, just suggestions because of its similarity to Papyrus 75.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus#Text-type
Please explain, that makes no sense.
Also if you can please show any sources that Egyptians edited the texts of Homer, I'd be interested in that as well.
I can compare the Old Testament texts with the Dead Sea Scroll fragments and I have.
I've also found quotes from early Church fathers and compared them as well.
If I discover missing verses such as Acts 8:37 quoted by the early Church fathers, I conclude the modern Bibles are forgeries. The fact Vaticanus wasn't copied multiple times until it wore out and was lost to history only provides further confirmation.
If you can't understand why the age of a text has nothing to do with its authenticity, I'm not sure you'll ever understand why the authenticity is better determined by the number of copies in existence that agree with each other in the case of physical manuscripts, especially when believers consider the texts in question to be the Word of God.
Zenodotus was the father of the Alexandrine grammarians, and they continued in his traditions for centuries. As you can see, the Alexandrian scholars were known for literary criticism, which included altering lines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenodotus
You didn't answer my other point and now you're trying to roll around it.
You said:
Then you gave me the book Against Heresies as a reference.
Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 10)
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103110.htm
So I'm to believe that any bible from that time period (and supposedly made in Egypt) is heretical except your source says the Churches planted in Egypt and many other places around the world all hand down the same knowledge and teach the same faith.
This is just like the bullshit we have with Covid. Just because groupthink tells me this is the Bible most people read, it doesn't mean this was the original words or the words intended. Going back to the earliest Bibles found can give a clearer picture of the Bible as it was originally written. More time passed from the original Bible gives more room for corruption and changes in the wording. If a Pope decrees everyone read the corrupted version, the less corrupted version becomes less used and forgotten.
I asked you to find some Bible verses quoted by the early Church fathers, and compare them with the different Bible versions and come to your own conclusions.
Instead of doing that, you found a quote you think proves there's nothing wrong with Alexandrian manuscripts.
Why is Acts 8:37 missing from Codex Vaticanus?
If you can explain why Irenaeus quoted the verse that supposedly didn't exist in the "earliest" manuscripts, I'm all ears.
After all, the verse "I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God" is a very damaging statement to Gnostics.
Found a better book.
A Gospel Synopsis of the Greek Text of Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Comparison of Codex Bezae and Codex Vaticanus
https://files.catbox.moe/ukz43f.pdf
Page 12b (46 of 652) in PDF
Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 3)
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103103.htm
Copying text from the Codex Vaticanus
16 οὕτως λαμψάτω τὸ φῶς ὑμῶν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ὅπως ἴδωσιν ὑμῶν τὰ καλὰ ⟨ἔργα⟩ καὶ δοξάσωσιν τὸν πατέρα ὑμῶν τὸν ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς.
17 μὴ νομίσητε ὅτι ἦλθον καταλῦσαι τὸν νόμον ἢ τοὺς προφήτας· οὐκ ἦλθον καταλῦσαι ἀλλὰ πληρῶσαι.
18 ἀμὴν γὰρ λέγω ὑμῖν· ἕως ἂν παρέλθῃ ὁ οὐρανὸς καὶ ἡ γῆ, ἰῶτα ἓν ἢ μία κεραία οὐ μὴ παρέλθῃ ἀπὸ τοῦ νόμου, ἕως ↑ πάντα γένηται.
19 ὃς ἐὰν οὖν λύσῃ μίαν τῶν ἐντολῶν τούτων τῶν ἐλαχίστων καὶ διδάξῃ οὕτως τοὺς ἀνθρώπους, ἐλάχιστος κληθήσεται ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τῶν οὐρανῶν· ὃς δ' ἂν ποιήσῃ καὶ διδάξῃ, οὗτος μέγας κληθήσεται ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τῶν οὐρανῶν.
Translated using https://www.deepl.com/en/translator (it is definitely not the best translation)
16 So let your light shine before you. of men, as they see see your good works and glorify you. your Father in heaven.
17 think not that I have come to break the law Or the prophets. I have not come to destroy but to pay.
18 For I say unto you. Till heaven and earth pass away, let not the one antenna pass away from of the law, till all things come to pass.
19 If thou hast a solution of one of these commandments. of the least of these, and teach thus to men, minimum be called in the kingdom of in the kingdom of heaven; But he that shall sing and teach, this one great shall be called in the kingdom of in the kingdom of heaven.
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You didn't address it either.
Exodus 13:2 was easiest passage to find, translate, and write down. If you want a passage from new testament or another translation let me know. This text in Codex Vaticanus doesn't match what is being said in "Against Heresies".
Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 3)
The Old Testament in Greek, Volume 1 According to the Text of Codex Vaticanus, Supplemented from Other Uncial Manuscripts,... (Alan England Brooke (editor))
https://files.catbox.moe/aoj4cf.pdf
page 196 (241 of 450) in PDF
Using Image-to-text converter
https://www.prepostseo.com/image-to-text
From Codex Vaticanus Exodus 13:2
1 Είπεν δε Κύριος προς Μωυσήν λέγων
2“Αγίασόν μοι πάν πρωτότοκον πρωτογενές δια- ! νοίγον πάσαν μήτραν εν τοις υιούς Ισραήλ από ανθρώπου έως κτήνους» εμοί εστιν.
3 Είπεν και δε Μωυσής προς τον λαόν Μνημονεύετε την ημέραν ταύτην εν ή εξήλθατε εκ γης Αιγύπτου, εξ οίκου δουλίας: έν γάρ χειρί κραταιά εξήγαγεν υμάς Κύριος εντεύθεν και ου βρωθήσεται ζύμη.
4έν γάρ τη σήμερον ύμείς εκπορεύεσθε εν μηνί των νέων.
5 και έσται ήνίκα εαν εισαγάγη σε 4 Κύριος ο Θεός σου εις την γήν των Χαναναίων και Χετταίων και Εύαίων και Γεργεσαίων και 'Αμορραίων και Φερεζαίων και Ιεβουσαίων, ήν ώμοσεν τους πατράσιν σου δούναι σοι, γήν ρέουσαν γάλα και μέλι, και ποιήσεις την λατρίαν ταύτην έν τω μηνί τούτω.
6εξ ημέρας έδεσθε και άζυμα, τη δε ημέρα τη εβδόμη εορτή Κυρίου: 7άζυμα έδεσθε επτά ημέρας, ουκ οφθήσεταί σοι
7 ζυμωτόν ουδέ έσται σοι ζύμη εν πάσιν τοϊς ορίοις σου.
8 και αναγγελείς τώ υιώ σου εν τη ημέρα και εκείνη λέγων Διά τούτο εποίησεν Κύριος ο Θεός μοι, ώς εξεπορευόμην έξ Αιγύπτου.
9 και έσται και σοι σημείον επί της χειρός σου και μνημόσυνον προ οφθαλμών σου, όπως αν γένηται ο νόμος Κυρίου εν τω στόματί σου· έν γαρ χειρί κραταια εξήγαγές σε Κύριος ο Θεός εξ Αιγύπτου.
10 και
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1 And the LORD said unto Moses, saying.
2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn of the firstborn, which hath opened every womb in the children of Israel, from man to beast.
3 And Moses also said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage: for the LORD hath brought you forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and ye shall not find yeast.
4 For to day ye go forth in the month of youth.
5 And it shall be a good thing if the LORD thy God bring thee 4 Into the land of the Canaanites, and Hittites, and Hivites, and Hivites, and Gergesians, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Jebusites, which he commanded thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, and thou shalt feed thee in this month.
6Thou shalt be unleavened and unleavened bread six days, and the seventh day shall be the seventh feast of the LORD: 7Thou shalt be unleavened seven days, and they shall not do unto thee.
7 Ye shall have no leaven, neither shall ye have yeast in all thy days.
8 And thou shalt tell thy son in that day, and she shall say, This is what the LORD God hath done for me, when I came out of Egypt.
9 And there shall be a sign upon thy hand, and a memorial in thine eyes, as if the law of the LORD were done in thy mouth: for the LORD God hath brought thee out of Egypt with a mighty hand.
10 And
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https://www.biblestudytools.com/exodus/13-2-compare.html
King James Version
Exodus 13:2 (KJV) Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.
New International Version
Exodus 13:2 (NIV) “Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether human or animal.”
Wycliffe
Exodus 13:2 (WYC) Hallow thou to me each first begotten thing that openeth the womb among the sons of Israel, as well of men as of beasts (of men as well as of beasts), for why (they) all be mine.
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible
Exodus 13:2 (RHE) Sanctify unto me every firstborn that openeth the womb among the children of Israel, as well of men as of beasts: for they are all mine.
This shit right here is annoying. You give me some vague bullshit "go look up stuff yourself" then edit your message with something specific and different from what I've given you an hour after sending the first message.
https://files.catbox.moe/bp5a0q.png
https://greatawakening.win/revisions?type=comment&id=33726420
Looking at the Wikipedia (Which would've been very helpful to give as a reference to not waste time)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus#Verses_not_in_the_codex
[21] - Metzger, Bruce M. (2001). A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. Stuttgart: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft. ISBN 3-438-06010-8.
Pages
315, 388, 434, 444They all seem like bad sources. Let's go directly to commentary on Acts 8:37 on page 359 (399 of 812)A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (UBS4) (Bruce M. Metzger)
https://files.catbox.moe/ydwryq.pdf
8.37 omit verse {A} Ver. 37 is a Western addition, not found in p45,74 R A B C 33 81 614 vg syrp. copsa,bo eth, but read, with many minor variations, by E, many minuscules, itrie. hvgm88 syrl with copG67 arm. There is no reason why scribes should have omitted the material, if it had originally stood in the text. It should be noted too that τον Ιησούν Χριστόν is not a Lukan expression.
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The formula πιστεύω ... Χριστόν was doubtless used by the early church in baptismal ceremonies, and may have been written in the margin of a copy of Acts. Its insertion into the text seems to have been due to the feeling that Philip could not have baptized the Ethiopian without securing a confession of faith, which needed to be expressed in the narrative. Although the earliest known New Testament manuscript which contains the words dates from the sixth century (ms. E), the tradition of the Ethiopian's confession of faith in Christ was current as early as the latter part of the second century, for Irenaeus quotes part of it (Against Heresies, 111.xii.8).
Although the passage does not appear in the late medieval manuscript on which Erasmus chiefly depended for his edition (ms. 2), it stands in the margin of another (ms. 4), from which he inserted it into his text because he "judged that it had been omitted by the carelessness of scribes (arbitror omissum librariorum incuria)."
https://files.catbox.moe/4b3z9x.png
So it seems from Metzger 2001 that the earliest Bible found with Acts 8:37 was from the 6th century. That text may not have originally been there, it doesn't knock down the divinity of Christ in any way as the Son of God. Are there some examples of Irenaeus quoting Acts 8:37 ?
Either way I'll have to look at this tomorrow, it's really late.