need it for research purposes but I can't find it :D
You're viewing a single comment thread. View all comments, or full comment thread.
Comments (89)
sorted by:
Thanks I misspelled the Wycliffe Bible. The misspell was "Wyche's". And yes add the Tyndale Bible. That was chiefly a NT work, which was only part of the Bible he completed in 1525. Tyndale drew upon both the Greek and Latin, especially employing the work of the Textus Receptus. In 1534, a translation of the OT up to the end of the Chronicles was published, and the work was later incorporated into the Matthew's Bible.
History cannot be scratched as "nonsense". In "A Collection of Scarce and Valuable Tracts on the Most Interesting and Entertaining Subjects" (I actually had to leave out a part of the title since long titles were really popular back then) a guy who calls himself Tom Tell-Troath gives one of many accounts about the King's predilection for handsome young men. Still, this doesn’t mean his relationships with his favorites weren't seen as strange from the man who came to be called Queen James.
At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esmé Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esmé to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France.
Later, James fell in love with a poor young Scotsman named Robert Carr. “The king leans on his [Carrʼs] arm, pinches his cheeks, smooths his ruffled garment, and when he looks upon Carr, directs his speech to others.” —Thomas Howard, Earl of Suffolk, in a letter, 1611
Carr eventually ended the relationship after which the king expressed his dissatisfaction in a letter to Carr, “I leave out of this reckoning your long creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary...Remember that (since I am king) all your being, except your breathing and soul, is from me.” (See The Letters of King James I & VI, ed., G. P. V. Akrigg, Univ. of Calif. Press, 1984. Also see Royal Family, Royal Lovers: King James of England and Scotland, David M. Bergeron, Univ. of Missouri Press, 1991) —Skip Church
King Jamesʼ favorite male lovers were the Earl of Somerset and the Duke of Buckingham. —Ben Edward Akerly, The X-rated Bible
Jamesʼs sexual orientation was so widely known that Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it in public saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.” —Catherine D. Bowen, The Lion and the Throne
“James, aged thirteen, was completely starstruck by these new arrivals. After being brought up by dour Presbyterians and a rough-hewn bunch of nobles, he suddenly appeared from the schoolroom to find a group of charming, well-traveled, well-educated and attractive men. He was fascinated by them, welcoming his release from the Reformist nobilityʼs stranglehold. The attraction of these personable and worldly courtiers was a breath of fresh air, and they quickly played on his sensibilities. These new ‘favorites’ were the key to free him from the shackles of the Kirk and his schoolroom. Within a month of Esméʼs arrival, James had agreed to leave Stirling and to take his place at Holyrood, where Esmé reorganized the Court and his household on the French model.
There was more to Jamesʼs relationship with these favorites than kicking against his religious upbringing. Their charisma provided a sensual stimulus for him that he was not to enjoy with his interfering and insensitive wife, Anne of Denmark, when they married in 1589. They provided the glamour that he lacked, and there can be little doubt that his homosexuality stemmed from his early attraction to the androgynous Esmé. Well experienced in Court circles in France, Esmé took advantage of the sexual overtures of this vulnerable adolescent, twenty-four years his junior. James would openly clasp him in his arms to kiss him, shocking the Reformist clergy, who saw that Esmé ‘went about to draw the King to carnal lust’, while James showered him with offices and presents. By March 1580, the English ambassador, Bowes, was telling Elizabeth that Esmé was ‘called to be one of the secret counsel, and carryeth the sway in court’. By September ‘few or none will openly withstand anything that he would have forward’.
—Esmé Stuart, 1st Duke Of Lennox
This is a partial run down of evidence of how well it was known.
Moses sinned in anger against God, are we to call into question the Mosaic Law because of it?
Paul killed Christians before he was converted, can we trust his words?
I have no idea if KJ was fag or not and I don't really even care. The Word of God is something that you can verify yourself, as I have. I carried the NIV for 30 years as a lost methodist. When my friend turned me on to the KJV, I was no longer lost. This is something you should know without doubt and it won't be found reading the lies of men.
King James being a sodomist has nothing to do with Moses. The Creator views each individual by their heart and intentions. What is required for forgiving of any sin? It requires complete repentance.
To not know history and not "care" is to be easily misled through 'Pharmakeia'. Blindness saves no one. Aloofness to evil is its acceptance. The irony of King James never accepting the Authorized Version tells us perhaps King James was not repentant. It is only called 'authorized' because it was authorized to be printed. Nothing more. It doesn't mean its a bad version. Every Version has its criticism. It is our duty to ferret them out and through our God-given cognition to research and discern the interpretation.
I'm glad for you that your friend turned you on to the KJV. I have a copy myself I often reference. With me, it's only the starting point though and I won't rely on it solely. Good tidings in your research.
To not know history and not "care" is to be easily misled through 'Pharmakeia'.
History is a reliance on man being truthful. The Bible is a reliance on God being truthful. In fact, when I see people that lean on the sexual mores of some king in their choice of Bible, it throws red flags up. I seek truth in the Holy Spirit, man can say what ever they want, it gets a fraction of the consideration given to God.
Here is how; compare key verses in the KJV against either the nasb, niv or esv. Focus only on those concerning the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ. Or the Trinity. See which ones affirm and which ones deny.
For example
KJV Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
NIV Ephesians 3:9
and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God,
who created all things.
Which do you believe is True?
The Authorized Version is not disqualified because of the fact King James was a sodomite. It really should not bear his name though. It's a complete misnomer to call the 'Authorized Version', the King James Bible because King James never accepted it. Because this well known fact seems to upset you, it doesn't mean the preponderance of evidence that "Queen" James was a sodomite is whisked away. The homosexuality of King James is well known and taught in theological academics. Again in theological study, it is well documented the 'Authorized Version' was never accepted by King James himself, but it was only called 'authorized' because it was authorized to be printed. Hence, the more truthful name should be 'Authorized Version'.