“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes. The entire draft opinion can be read below:
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I appreciate your comments once again Rando. As a former pro choicer myself, it constantly befuddled me that the pro choicers were seemingly never willing to even remotely compromise.
As someone who's loathed condoms and went on a pretty savage kill streak throughout my 20s, I can truthfully say, it is actually an infinitesimally small likelihood to ever get a woman pregnant if she is both, on birth control, AND plan B. Even if you're an animal like me and intentionally refuse to pull out (unless she kindly requests, in which case I'll be a gentleman lol).
And even then, the Texas heartbeat bill STILL makes exceptions for both Incest AND rape. ALSO in considerations for the mothers life, AND even moved the marker for when life starts to 6 to 8 weeks.
If you would seek to be so many more magnitudes irresponsible than even myself, and STILL refuse to be on birth control, AND refuse to take Plan B, AND willfully ignore any pregnancy test for over 6 weeks after you've been inseminated, then you have demonstrated yourself to be objectively and intentionally reckless and deserve to have your privilege of having sex whilst avoiding the consequence of pregnancy, revoked.
The pro lifers have compromised at every step. As a reasonable human being who would be in quite a predicament if I suddenly had to raise a child right now, I would really not like to raise anyone's child especially if I didn't actually love the girl.
But alas I have gone as far as spending 800$ on plan B in two months one summer, and even skipped an important lecture once to drive out an hour each way to get that pills in a woman's mouth because she didn't want to spend the money.
As the man doing the slaying, how far are you willing to to to preserve your freedom to not have to raise a child? For myself, I will go as far as possible, because I refuse to get someone killed as a result of being unable to keep it in my pants.
So here is a question.
Why should rape and incest be exceptions? The fetus didn’t rape anyone. Are we punishing the child for the sins of the father?
You going to be the one to tell every rape pregnancy and abortion survivor that their life is worthless? Please record these interactions for posterity.
Well personally I don't think that rape should be an exception. For exactly the reason you stated, and also because the idea that rape is morally wrong is a relatively new idea that came about with the increased civility and standards of a progressed society. Rape exists commonly amongst other animals, and its just another factor in the evolutionary competition amongst organisms as they fight for access to the females in their species.
However when it comes to Incest, I'm definitely a bit more lenient because of the significant increase in birth defects and developmental delays, along with permanent resentment of the child from the mother.
Nonetheless, my point was that the Texas bill DID allow compromises be made in these areas. And thats a fact that I feel is often overlooked by the framing tactics used by the media publications who cleverly craft these narratives as an "all or nothing", situation in which the pro choice people's feelings are being completely disregarded which is not the case.
I mean this with absolutely no malice or negativity, but it's exactly that attitude that makes liberals dig their heels in so much on this.
Because these compromises aren't real compromises. Because your argument against abortion is absolutist, and doesn't permit compromises.
"The life of the unborn child is prioritized above anything that doesn't immediately threaten the life of the mother."
And if I accept that foundation as a valid legal basis, then yes, I not only can make the argument that babies from rape and incest must be protected from abortion, but I MUST make that argument.
Because it follows from the argument we already accepted, the one that justified banning abortion in the first place. There's no way to avoid going further with it. The argument itself demands to be taken as far as possible.
And so when Gaetz or Greene or someone else brave enough inevitably does introduce measures designed to outlaw abortion across the spectrum, the liberals know that not a single person offering us this compromise is going to fight to protect it.
Nobody around here is going to say, "Now wait a minute, we said we weren't going to do that. Even though we've accepted this is a life-or-death issue and the life of the baby comes before everything."
We know that, because the Justices that are voting in favor of overturning Roe pinky-swore that Roe was settled law during their hearings. It wasn't true, even if it felt true when they were saying it. It's called a "foot-in-the-door technique."
There was zero chance that they could ethically stand by their promise if they actually believed in their own pro-life absolutism.
So... yeah. I don't hold it against you. I just recognize that your argument doesn't allow you to protect a compromise. I wouldn't be able to in your position, if I was being loyal to my own argument.
For that reason, you really shouldn't be surprised that liberals are willing to fight hard for this. They know losing ground on this is going to cascade.
Because there isn't a world in which we can accept "the unborn baby comes before everything" and not eventually see in that same world men irreversibly tying themselves to a woman for life without her consent.
I don't blame women for being utterly terrified of such a world, even if you consider the possibility of such scenarios to be rare.
Which is why, despite not liking the cost of abortion, I am not uncomfortable voting liberal (for non-abortion related issues). I simply can't find a means of banning abortion that doesn't have potentially irreversible consequences for the rights of women in our society, given our current level of technology and resources.
I understand their argument. And I understand your argument. And I think that both sides don't really understand the argument of the other side. And until you admit they have a point, and until they admit you have a point, there will be no constructive progress made on this issue.
I kind of see what you're saying but the majority of pro choicers only put a fraction of a percent of the thought into their arguments as you do. You are a thinker. They are followers.
Anyways, what would be an example of a "compromise", in your eyes? I don't see what you could have in mind.