“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes. The entire draft opinion can be read below:
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See, this is why I try not to speculate on elections too far out. A Republican wave was likely for the midterms, but now Democrats got handed an issue that is guaranteed to increase voter turnout.
It was going to come up before the election either way, but now it’s probably going to be the issue that defines the election cycle from the beginning.
Let’s see what happens.
The assumption is that our election system is fair, this is further from the truth and we know it.
But let’s assume the white hats actually do fix the election system, it will come down this way…
100% of Conservatives will be on the side of anti-abortion, very much in keeping with Christian and Religious values.
The above make up ~90% of the Republican vote (the other 10% are RINOs and the establishment following sheeple)
~50% of Democrats will be on the side of anti-abortion — these are the people who actually hold Conservative values but have been so bamboozled into believe the LIE of the Democrat party. There are at constant odds with themselves. These are the folks who are slowly bleeding into the R party… these people we can reach.
The other ~50% of Democrats… well, these are the lunatics of America. They are the Leftist, the people who are so drunk on the koolaid they will gladly destroy the country to ‘feel good’ about themselves. These are the WOKE crowd who want their young kids to be groomed in school, love CRT, and believe men are women and women are men, … yes, that people. Because they hold no conservative values, they do not care about the life of a fetus. These are the people who truly believe a fetus is just a ‘thing’ to be discarded because it’s an inconvenience.
Babies
Lives
Matter
Believe
Liberals
Madness
Best of
Luck
Murderers
Just off the top of my head.
Easy stuff to print in black and white on printer paper!
Honestly. Fuck putting everything in the "white hats", hands all the time when we want things to end up just and righteous.
That's what God is for.
God uses His tools … “white hats” possibly? :)
You and I probably agree philosophically on abortion, but I disagree with the attributions you make to liberals as to why they are pro-choice, and I think that will result in you underestimating the number of people willing to vote against you.
Which, of course, would then result in you assuming you have far more support for your position than you do, which means that voter fraud seems a more likely reason for you to lose on an issue than being outvoted.
The fact is that conservatives are absolutely right that abortion is a right-to-life issue.
And the fact is that liberals are absolutely right that abortion is a women’s rights issue.
And the two sides are rarely arguing the same point, or acknowledging the other side’s point, which is why this issue is ongoing.
I agree with conservatives that abortion kills people. I am not a fan of that. But I also can’t fathom how we can possibly have a free society when a man can decide the entire future for a woman just by impregnating her with a baby she isn’t allowed to take any action to remove from her life. Whether it’s common or not, it’s a knife that hangs over the head of every woman in this country, and I don’t see how they can ever be equal citizens when abortion is illegal.
I’ve spent time pissing off liberals by insisting that pro-lifers have other motivations than enslaving women. I think it would behoove you to make similar appraisals about liberals in this case if you have any genuine interest in resolving this problem in this country.
There are times when the fellow wants the baby and the woman still chooses to kill it.
I think given the subject matter on this board, you realize that not every woman chooses to have sex when they get pregnant. And not every woman who chooses to have sex chooses to get pregnant.
A man who sabotages the condom can make that choice for her, for instance.
It’s also worth noting that if a woman can’t get an abortion, that allows rapists an enormous amount of power over their victims, if they’re willing to go to jail for it.
“Sure, I’m going to jail. But nobody was having sex with me. Now, my genes are going to be passed on by Natalie Portman. I’m okay with it.”
Sure, we could allow abortions in the case of rape, but why? If we’re prioritizing the life above all else, the fetus didn’t commit the rape. So I can’t think of a logical reason to allow rape victims to get abortions under a purely pro-life approach.
I’m not going to sit here and defend abortion, because I don’t believe in abortion. But let’s not oversimplify the pro-choice position here. It’s about far more than sluts being slutty.
I’m focused on the root of the issue, and the necessary hurdle Dems would need to scale/cross to vote ‘the right way’.
The issue with the arguments the Left (the lost 50% of Dems) always make is to focus on the extremities of the issue — rather than look at factual data, they force the narrative, focus only on the extreme and make that the pivotal argument points, then lather on a thick dose of ‘Women’s Rights’ on to that. It’s THE Playbook that is used for all issues we face today coming from the Left e.g. Equity, the ‘pay gap’, systemic racism, climate change, vaccines, etc. etc. etc. list goes on.
But these people are considered ‘lost’ imo, there is always redemption for sure. But we will never be able to see eye to eye on this issue. Just assume they will vote against you, period. No need to waste your time on them, unless of course you’re just out to piss them off for sport :)
The other 50% of Dems, who actually hold conservative values … those are the ones you can have a meaningful conversation about, for the fact that they are standing on the same foundation and you and I. These are the same people who would vote Democrat, knowingly going against their Principles, because they think “well, at least they’re not Nazis”.
I appreciate your comments once again Rando. As a former pro choicer myself, it constantly befuddled me that the pro choicers were seemingly never willing to even remotely compromise.
As someone who's loathed condoms and went on a pretty savage kill streak throughout my 20s, I can truthfully say, it is actually an infinitesimally small likelihood to ever get a woman pregnant if she is both, on birth control, AND plan B. Even if you're an animal like me and intentionally refuse to pull out (unless she kindly requests, in which case I'll be a gentleman lol).
And even then, the Texas heartbeat bill STILL makes exceptions for both Incest AND rape. ALSO in considerations for the mothers life, AND even moved the marker for when life starts to 6 to 8 weeks.
If you would seek to be so many more magnitudes irresponsible than even myself, and STILL refuse to be on birth control, AND refuse to take Plan B, AND willfully ignore any pregnancy test for over 6 weeks after you've been inseminated, then you have demonstrated yourself to be objectively and intentionally reckless and deserve to have your privilege of having sex whilst avoiding the consequence of pregnancy, revoked.
The pro lifers have compromised at every step. As a reasonable human being who would be in quite a predicament if I suddenly had to raise a child right now, I would really not like to raise anyone's child especially if I didn't actually love the girl.
But alas I have gone as far as spending 800$ on plan B in two months one summer, and even skipped an important lecture once to drive out an hour each way to get that pills in a woman's mouth because she didn't want to spend the money.
As the man doing the slaying, how far are you willing to to to preserve your freedom to not have to raise a child? For myself, I will go as far as possible, because I refuse to get someone killed as a result of being unable to keep it in my pants.
So here is a question.
Why should rape and incest be exceptions? The fetus didn’t rape anyone. Are we punishing the child for the sins of the father?
This is extremely simple to compromise. Just expose the PP and the baby parts industry to the world. Project Veritas had already done an expose but everyone needs to see and hear what really happens.
In my mind, if the fact that everything about abortion is about money is exposed, left and right can come to a reasonable compromise and there wont be any hidden hands behind the shadows causing unnecessary division.
Honestly, this issue should not be the one to divide people.
It’s this sort of aggressive, straw-manning oversimplification of important issues and unprovoked, unnecessary, and unproductive ad hom attacks that leads me to not discuss these things with you anymore, Zeitreise.
Texas passed their heartbeat law in May 2021, taking effect in Sep 2021.
This was taken to supreme court, and most challenges thrown out in Dec, with only one remaining challenge that was thrown out just a month ago.
Mississippi passed the abortion ban law in Sep 2021.
Mississippi law was challenged in Supreme Court and oral arguments started in Dec 2021. Now in May, the ruling is being issued.
Do you think, for a moment, this timeline is a coincidence ?
Now, let's look at it from another angle. Do you think if Roe vs Wade is not repealed, Dems would sit quietly without any other nefarious plans to build up their base? Do you think if the Red wave is imminent, Dems wont do everything in their power to either stir up a civil war, or destroy the country or even destroy the whole world, just to make sure that wont happen?
We have come so far, and do you think the Patriots don't know how to play this game? My guess is, just like Jan 6th, this event was handed to them as a trap. They are letting the Cabal willingly throw away Roe vs Wade in the hopes of stirring up one hell of a riot and ginning up their voters to show up to vote.
Once they give up RvW, they will realise the battlefield is much different than they expected. Here are some wild cards:
Their terrorist assets, all primed for this planned civil war, who were imported from Afghanistan, will be exposed (PV is just talking about this). Cabal already knows Antifa/BLM has been mapped out after 2020, hence they had took the first bait of Afghanistan and imported their terrorists. Guess what? Every single one of them is being tracked. The Judges (on gab) had been saying this for months now, and I didnt believe it. Right now whats playing out, makes perfect sense.
The Planned Parenthood will be exposed. PV had already done an expose of them before 2020 (When Kamala Harris punished them for exposing the crime rather than PP for selling baby parts). Its been on the ice. I am sure they have plenty more from that, ready to go.
Putin will use this distraction to do something in Ukraine OR Xi will use this to move against his deep state. The power struggle between Xi and the CCP has been running hot in Shanghai (power base of CCP Cabal). There was a decode that Xi might invade Taiwan on May 5th. Kinda coming together.
I think RvW is an extremely powerful loaded weapon for the Cabal, that needs to be defused sooner than later, but also allows multiple openings in this chess game.
I would urge all Anons to sit tight and watch the battlefield carefully. I believe we will have our jobs cut out very soon.
..."time the avenger"...