Various forms of abortion existed before it became legal. The desperate will either drive to another state where it is available or find someone able to help with an illegal one. What I remember reading before Roe v Wade is that there were a lot of women who had botched illegal abortions and one of the arguments was that legal ones would be safer. Rita Moreno has said in interviews that she had a hot on-off affair with Marlon Brando. He impregnated her once. (I suppose this one time the birth control didn't hold up.) He paid for an illegal abortion which was botched, and she was lucky to survive and even luckier to have children later. He didn't regret the loss of his child. He was angry that he had paid money for something that failed to do the job he had paid for.
It takes two, guys, it takes two. It's also really a dad's job to teach his daughters about how to watch out for dangerous men when they are old enough to be told about these things. Just sayin' . . .
Have you seen some of these “legal” abortion offices?
I have a friend who had an abortion when she was young and they perforated her uterus and she almost died. Took her years and lots of money and miscarriages to have a baby later in life.
This happens all the time and is why I don’t buy that it’s so much safer now.
I understand that, in reality, there is nothing outside of total abstinence with zero cases of incest/rape that will fully protect from unwanted pregnancies. Are there crisis pregnancies? Yes. Will telling all women to "just say no" end all crisis pregnancies? Does the "just say no" campaign end all drug addiction?
Are pregnancy and childbirth zero risk events? What are the risks in legal abortion vs illegal abortion? In an ideal world, there would be no crisis pregnancies, no abortions and no pregnancy or childbirth deaths and no post birth infanticide. We don't, however, live in an ideal world.
The abortion issue is very polarizing. Roughly half Americans want abortion rights. The other half does not want to allow legal abortion rights. Even if we end all access to legal abortions, it will not stop abortions. It will increase illegal abortions, which are "generally" less safe than legal ones, although it appears some of the abortion mills are not-so-safe as they should be.
My opinion is we probably cannot achieve a zero abortion world, whether legal or illegal. Just the same as you cannot stamp out all illegal drug use nor end all alcohol abuse. In the end, in the heavenly world to come wherein evil will cease to exist, there will be some people there who had, at one time, been involved in sex outside of marriage, who had abortion(s), who had been involved in substance abuse. Are they all banished from Heaven? No, all the ones who finally die in Christ have all their sins forgiven. Does that mean we should all just run out and sin as much as possible? Of course not. If Roe v Wade gets overturned, it will become a states' rights issue, and maybe that will prove to be a good place to start rolling back the number of abortions.
Various forms of abortion existed before it became legal. The desperate will either drive to another state where it is available or find someone able to help with an illegal one. What I remember reading before Roe v Wade is that there were a lot of women who had botched illegal abortions and one of the arguments was that legal ones would be safer. Rita Moreno has said in interviews that she had a hot on-off affair with Marlon Brando. He impregnated her once. (I suppose this one time the birth control didn't hold up.) He paid for an illegal abortion which was botched, and she was lucky to survive and even luckier to have children later. He didn't regret the loss of his child. He was angry that he had paid money for something that failed to do the job he had paid for.
It takes two, guys, it takes two. It's also really a dad's job to teach his daughters about how to watch out for dangerous men when they are old enough to be told about these things. Just sayin' . . .
Have you seen some of these “legal” abortion offices?
I have a friend who had an abortion when she was young and they perforated her uterus and she almost died. Took her years and lots of money and miscarriages to have a baby later in life.
This happens all the time and is why I don’t buy that it’s so much safer now.
I understand that, in reality, there is nothing outside of total abstinence with zero cases of incest/rape that will fully protect from unwanted pregnancies. Are there crisis pregnancies? Yes. Will telling all women to "just say no" end all crisis pregnancies? Does the "just say no" campaign end all drug addiction?
Are pregnancy and childbirth zero risk events? What are the risks in legal abortion vs illegal abortion? In an ideal world, there would be no crisis pregnancies, no abortions and no pregnancy or childbirth deaths and no post birth infanticide. We don't, however, live in an ideal world.
The abortion issue is very polarizing. Roughly half Americans want abortion rights. The other half does not want to allow legal abortion rights. Even if we end all access to legal abortions, it will not stop abortions. It will increase illegal abortions, which are "generally" less safe than legal ones, although it appears some of the abortion mills are not-so-safe as they should be.
My opinion is we probably cannot achieve a zero abortion world, whether legal or illegal. Just the same as you cannot stamp out all illegal drug use nor end all alcohol abuse. In the end, in the heavenly world to come wherein evil will cease to exist, there will be some people there who had, at one time, been involved in sex outside of marriage, who had abortion(s), who had been involved in substance abuse. Are they all banished from Heaven? No, all the ones who finally die in Christ have all their sins forgiven. Does that mean we should all just run out and sin as much as possible? Of course not. If Roe v Wade gets overturned, it will become a states' rights issue, and maybe that will prove to be a good place to start rolling back the number of abortions.
https://19thnews.org/2022/01/life-before-roe-v-wade-transformed-america-five-stories/
I agree it should be kicked back to the states for sure. We’re pretty much in total agreement honestly.