We're on MMR. Any thoughts/suggestions/experiences that I could get as part of my knowledge journey? Wife and I are knee deep in side affects, lawsuits, fetal cells etc... We've dodged quite a bit, trying to stick to the 1983 schedule for vaccinations, however this one has us nervous.
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I had fully vaxxed my two kids, I got in heated, HEATED, arguments with anyone who said vaccines were dangerous. I fully believed all the bullet points, 1) there is no threats of diseases BECAUSE we vax, 2) if we don’t vax, immune suppressed kids will be the ones to suffer, 3) doctors go to med school, this is one of the most fundamental advances in modern medicine and your going to refuse?!?
Then Covid happened. And I watched every doctor (family/friends who are doctors included) toute every safety measure against Covid like it was gospel. Shut downs, quarantines, social distancing, masks, locking up senior citizens etc. All things that absolutely were ludicrous according to basic germ theory or common sense. But the doctors were all in agreement, they were all experts, and they all lashed out at dissenters.
Then I watched all the doctors, nurses, experts in unison shout from the rooftops that HCQ and ivermectin were worthless poisons that only idiots would take. The real medicine was the ventilator and remidisvior
Then the Covid Vax , I watched all the doctors, nurses “experts” shove that needle down everyone’s throats with absolutely no qualms about the side effects, the rushed trials, the ethics of payouts, etc etc etc. YOU HAD TO HAVE THE SHOT if you wanted to survive.
After all that I started to think about the Autism debate. Doctors will lie to your face, they will fudge the numbers, they will turn a blind eye, they will go scorched earth on dissent when it comes to Covid questions. What’s to say that wasn’t the same formula used against vaccines and autism but on a slower metric. Covid put their methods on the fast track for all to see. It’s the same game.
I prayed and prayed, cried and cried because I have an infant this year and what or who was I supposed to trust? I asked God over and over who do I trust. And to me he said “Trust Me” so I took a deep breath and have refused all vaccines for my third child. I’ve put my child’s health in God’s hands, we make our best decisions on personal hygiene and nutrition we can personally make and have put our health completely in the hands of the creator of all things. I am at peace with my decision and I hope you can pray for the Lord to Guide you to an answer that will also bring you peace and health for you and you’re whole family.
Thanks for sharing. I have a newborn and will have to face the same situation soon. I don't think this will be a something that my marriage can weather since my wife and I on opposite ends on many things--including this and she previously brought up divorce because of our differences are too difficult for her her (although, pregnancy hormones probably played a factor). COVID, too, was my wake up that made me go from 99% trust in the medical industry to 3% trust.
Was your spouse on board with how you went forward with no vaxing? Any tips for me?
You know your wife best. For my husband, I felt I had to threaten divorce since he wanted to get our baby vaccinated. I'm the feisty one and he's a go with the flow kind of guy so this method ended up working out. Plus women hold all the cards in a divorce. Nowadays he's had a total change of heart and has told me how thankful he is that I never backed down. He's totally anti-vax now after all this covid bs.
For your wife, it sounds like you have to use a different approach. Try to convince her to wait until your child is school-aged. If you can get her to agree to waiting, you can slowly work on diminishing her trust of vaccines. I don't know your wife, but if she is like most women, emotion plays a big role in their decision making. There are plenty of horror stories of vaccine damaged children out there. My advice is to do this gradually. You're not going to change her mind overnight, but persistence is key. Good luck.
Thanks for the listening ear and the tips! I think delaying could possibly be a workable approach.
I'm weak at addressing her at the emotional level... I guess this is the next thing on my heart to think about and pray about!
I’ve had similar trouble convincing my wife to avoid all vaccines for our kids not just the covid ones. Here are some points/links/books that helped convince her: https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/history.html (CDC admits improvements in sanitation were the main driver of the massive decline in infectious diseases in early 1900’s, before vaccines were widely used) https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/12/ten-year-study-unvaccinated-children-far-healthier-than-their-vaccinated-peers (Ten year study shows that unvaccinated children are far healthier than vaccinated children) https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674 (Ten year study shows that unvaccinated children are far healthier than vaccinated children) https://youtu.be/3vIcrFOT8pc (taped deposition of Stanley Plotkin MD, a leading authority on vaccinology, on vaccine ingredients containing animal viruses, aborted fetal tissues, etc.) https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/01/dr-andrew-zimmermans-full-affidavit-on-alleged-link-between-vaccines-and-autism-that-u-s-govt-covered-up/ (Dr. Zimmerman affidavit on link between vaccines and autism) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536523/ (Dr. Andrew Zimmerman - Developmental Regression and Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism Caused By vaccines) https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/425061-how-a-pro-vaccine-doctor-reopened-debate-about-link-to-autism (Dr. Zimmerman - How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism) https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ICAN-VS-CDC-LAWSUIT-PR.pdf? (CDC couldn’t provide proof that certain vaccines don’t cause autism) https://www.immunizationcoalitions.org/content/uploads/2017/01/Timeline-for-CDC-Whistleblower.pdf (Timeline - William Thompson CDC whistleblower - link between MMR vaccine and autism) https://legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2016/WorkGroups/House%20Health%20Care/Bills/H.98/Witness%20Testimony/H.98~Jennifer%20Stella~William%20Thompson%20Statement~5-6-2015.pdf (William Thompson testimony on 8/27/14 re: CDC cover up of link between MMR vaccine and autism) https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/read-cdc-senior-scientist-we-trashed-data-showing-vaccine-autism-link-in-african-american-boys (CDC whistleblower William Thompson’s testimony re: autism link to vaccines) https://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-16 (Brian Hooker - Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young african american boys: a reanalysis of CDC data) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25057632 (Polio vaccines from 1955-1963 were contaminated with cancer causing monkey SV-40 viruses) https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cancer-causing-simian-monkey-virus-polio-vaccines (How a cancer causing SV-40 monkey virus ended up in polio vaccines) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121585/pdf/ijerph-15-01755.pdf (See page 3 of 7: Over 490,000 people in India developed paralysis as a result of the oral polio vaccine between 2000 and 2017) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28188123 (DTP vaccine (whole cell) increased infant 3+ month all cause mortality) https://academic.oup.com/jpids/article/8/4/334/5359449 (The 112-Year Odyssey of Pertussis and Pertussis Vaccines - Mistakes Made and Implications for the Future, DTaP vaccine causes increased lifetime susceptibility to Pertussis) https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf (CDC vaccine excipient summary) https://www.nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/0062.pdf (Aluminum Phosphate is a known hazardous substance but it’s in many vaccines including TDaP) https://ijme.in/articles/deaths-in-a-trial-of-the-hpv-vaccine/?galley=html (Gates funded HPV vaccine trial in India that recruited poor malnourished girls, many died) https://youtu.be/o7A_cMpKm6w (Bill Gates' Plan to Vaccinate the world, damage caused by polio and HPV vaccines in India and meningitis vaccines in Africa) Vaccine injury cover up: https://learntherisk.org/ (Merck whistleblower Brandy Vaughan vaccine truth organization) https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27023738 (Vaccine-associated inflammatory diseases of the central nervous system: from signals to causation) https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10210810 (Magnetic resonance imaging findings in 22 cases of myelitis: comparison between patients with and without multiple sclerosis) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24514081/ (The spectrum of post-vaccination inflammatory CNS demyelinating syndromes) https://ccandh.com/vaccine-injuries/transverse-myelitis-tm/ (Vaccine Injuries > Transverse Myelitis) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19880568/ (Transverse myelitis and vaccines: a multi-analysis) https://www.cdc.gov/acute-flaccid-myelitis/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Facute-flaccid-myelitis%2Fafm-investigation.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Vaxxed-Unvaxxed-Parts-I-XI.pdf
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/research-database/
Relaaaaaax, so many people survived without vaccines. It's a snake oil gimmick.
I have unvaxed children. No diseases thus far.