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Flat Earthers logic... Actually saw this, today. 🙄 (media.greatawakening.win)
posted 4 years ago by catsfive 4 years ago by catsfive +29 / -0
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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Because we experience the accelerations of rotation. Because we observe it from orbit. If you knew science at all, you would know this. I'm not interested in debating with ignorance. The creation is God's Word as much as scripture, and he has given us reason with which to understand it. There is no conflict.

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– jack445566778899 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Because we experience the accelerations of rotation.

Yes, and we experience (measure them; they are too subtle to experience) them when we aren’t touching the (presumed rotating) ground too...

Because we observe it from orbit.

We do no such thing! And even if we did - merely looking is not how science is conducted. We require measurement in empericism!

If you knew science at all, you would know this.

I know a lot about and study science quite a bit, because I enjoy it! One of my favorite things is discussing and evaluating it further; perhaps you are the same way?

I'm not interested in debating with ignorance

Me neither! Though we can’t completely avoid ignorance (it is our lot), we can certainly avoid the mindless base pageantry of debate - and we should! I prefer rational discourse instead.

The creation is God's Word as much as scripture

Ah, a fellow heretic! I might even go so far as to say that reality (the creation, of which we are a small part) is VASTLY more important, and that what is found in the bible is to be tried as a blacksmith tries gold - by fire! However, this is a radically heretical view. I am a heretic to all religions, most especially scientism.

There is no conflict.

I have not found that to be the case, however I agree with the spirit of your statement. Truth does not contradict truth! If the bible is always true, then the world is fixed and immovable. So says the good book!

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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Sorry, but your delusions of science are not working well. We (the world) experiences the equatorial bulge due to centripetal acceleration. We also "experience" the Coriolis acceleration that results in cyclones and gives us hurricanes and tornadoes (and even the swirl of water as it goes down the drain).

Yes, we observe it from orbit. We depend on it for our photo-reconnaissance satellites to repeatedly pass over targets of interest when in polar orbits. The Earth rotates beneath the orbit (which is inertially fixed in space). If you want to deny this fact, you end up throwing your "science" credentials in the trash.

And we certainly see it in other heavenly bodies, of which we are one.

You seem impervious to facts, so I don't know what there would be to talk about. I think it is a matter of great interest that the primary discoveries in astronomy were made by devout Christians.

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– jack445566778899 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

We (the world) experiences the equatorial bulge due to centripetal acceleration.

So we are taught. However, if the world were flat and stationary (as the bible clearly describes it) this would, of course, be both impossible and untrue.

We also "experience" the Coriolis acceleration that results in cyclones and gives us hurricanes and tornadoes (and even the swirl of water as it goes down the drain).

Actually, no. Coriolis is a psuedoforce, an illusion caused by differing frames of reference! It is woefully taught, as I learned the same thing you are saying too.

The things you are talking about are examples of ACTUAL force caused by the presumed rotation of the world and are not in any way the coriolis effect.

If you want to deny this fact, you end up throwing your "science" credentials in the trash.

I have no credentials. I didn’t just throw them in the trash - I set them on fire too!

My point was that WE (you and I) do not do these things, nor observe these things. We see them on television/screens, and nowhere else. If you believe everything you see on tv, you have major problems! I expect you agree with that?!

And we certainly see it in other heavenly bodies, of which we are one.

No, we aren’t in the sky like the luminaries are! We are on earth! The planets are wandering stars, not rodenberrian places to “land”. Rocks don’t perpetually float above our heads and never fall - that’s stupid!

You seem impervious to facts,

True. I know too much about them, and their half lives. Facts are merely what your authority tells you.

so I don't know what there would be to talk about.

Science, demonstration (qed), and the best ways to determine reality from fiction as independent researchers and students! If you are into that sort of thing, that is!

I think it is a matter of great interest that the primary discoveries in astronomy were made by devout Christians.

I completely agree! Have you seen the documentary “the principle” (2014, I believe)? It may be an interesting place to begin!

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– DeathRayDesigner 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The equtorial bulge is not something we are "taught"; it is something that can be measured. It also affects the precession of satellite orbits. As a result of all this observation, the world is not flat and stationary.

The Coriolis acceleration isn't an illusion. It causes real deflections. Our sense of balance is affected. Calling it a "pseudoforce" is your gaffe. I referred to it as an acceleration, which it is. I suspect you don't know the difference between forces and accelerations. If you did, you wouldn't have attempted to skirt the point by calling it a pseudoforce. The Coriolis acceleration only arises with rotating bodies, so your point is not valid.

You have no scientific credentials. You wear your ignorance proudly on your sleeve. I suspected as much.

I didn't learn any of this from TV screens. Did you? Or do you subscribe to the radical paranoid view that nothing can be trusted? If that is the case, how can you possibly trust the Bible? (What you are leaving out of consideration is that if any of this is false, it would show up rapidly as a collision of engineering theory and engineering fact. It doesn't.)

I guess you don't understand any astronomy, either. The Moon is a rock (as established by samples taken) and it surely orbits us indefinitely. So also the planets, all in motion about the Sun according to Newton's laws (don't carp about small deviations). We have repeatedly landed probes on the Moon, Mars, and Venus. Men have visited the Moon. We are a planet and the people on the opposite side of the Earth have their heads pointing in the opposite direction from ours. They see different constellations, depending on whether they are in the northern or southern hemispheres. Impossible for a flat Earth. (The whole day-night cycle is impossible for a flat Earth.)

Facts are put to the test in all of our technology, which would not work if there were any gap between theory and reality. It is not only a matter of learning. It is a matter of constantly putting it to the test. I doubt you understand this, since it does not occur to you. What I am saying is consistent with the world as we see and experience it. What you are saying has no material foundation at all.

You are not even in the 16th century, when Magellan circumnavigated the globe. You are not even in the 2nd century BC when Eratosthenes estimated the diameter of the Earth. You are missing out on a lot, because most of modern technology relies on principles and facts that you reject out of hand.

No, there is little for us to discuss. You have nothing to overturn what we have known now for centuries, and put to the test repeatedly. You simply know nothing about the tests. You are very hard down on a paranoid delusion that all of this is a fable or a fake.

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