This is not a huge win. Could you imagine you have a baby dying inside of you, not being viable, and being required to have it stay in there until it dies? This is not covered by the emergency clause. It just growing and festering, potentially to the point of killing you? Abortion is not a good thing, but sometimes it's necessary. This is way too far. This is just one situation that would be terrible, there are dozens of others. I don't think late term, "for fun" abortions are ok, but this is just too far.
It is never necessary. Killing a child, is killing a child. You should look into “terminating the pregnancy”. This does not MURDER the child. It removes the child from the mother’s womb, to protect the mother’s health, and to give the baby a chance inside an incubator. Leaving it up God to take over.
Abortion is murder. Ripping a child to pieces while it’s still alive. Abortion, a tool of sacrifice for the deceiver himself. Learn more on this topic before you look like a child murder supporter please.
What? "Terminating the pregnancy" is abortion, which would also be illegal here. I don't think you read what I said. The baby is dying, you know it is dying, the doctor knows it is dying, the baby might even know it's dying. With this law it's required to stay in there until it does in my scenario. It happens quite a bit.
Once again...learn about “terminating the pregnancy”. Which is not abortion. It removes the child because of health reasons. And places it in incubation. Your looking very ignorant right now. Abortion...is...murder. Always will be.
You can't just place a dying baby in incubation, especially one before 20~22 weeks. It would still die, just more painfully. Alright, you sound really medically inexperienced, so I'll leave you to your beliefs. Hope this doesn't affect someone you know negatively. Good luck.
Also, like... An extremely fringe suggestion. "Imagine having a baby dying in you and it being illegal to remove it"
It wouldn't be illegal. If the baby dies, you would still go through a similar process (probably) but the life of the baby no longer has consideration because it dies.
However, if it's dying, as in not dead yet, it could possibly be extracted for incubation as you state, or other procedures could be utilized in an attempt to save the child.
Further, in another fringe style case where the mother could die during child birth, you usually know these risks very early on. In a situation where things turn for the worse, a surgical extraction in a controlled and sterile environment has the potential to save both lives.
However making exceptions at this point shouldn't be on the table. Curbing this behavior at the root by stopping it is important.
Future exceptions can be made later on. It's clear that they pushed abortion much too far and it became a pillar of their entire political foundation, and it shouldn't have.
People need to ask themselves why they cling so ardently even when the exceptions for the fringe cases they continuously cite are accounted for. It's obvious there is a reason at play. You can look at it as a wedge issue or something darker, but either way it's nefarious.
This! Thank you! It drives me crazy whenever people refer to saving the life of the mother as abortion..even conservatives do this. 🙄🤦🏼♀️ Abortion is the intentional murder of a child no matter what stage of development. Having an emergency delivery to save the life of the mother, and having the baby not make it due to those unfortunate circumstances, is another thing altogether and should never be compared to or called an abortion.
Exactly. And the reason I use that term “terminating the pregnancy” is because that’s what that (former) abortion doctor referred to as a method, but not to be confused with abortion only. He meant it as a way to end the pregnancy, obviously, but in a non lethal way as an abortion. It’s why I was trying to get that poster above to educate himself. Females literally feel they have no options. So not true. Abortion, as that doctor states, should never be an option, period. There are several medical option safer for the mother and child. Society today thinks this is the only way because that’s what they want us to think. It’s sick. And many are brainwashed.
Yup! I always just refer to it as an emergency delivery b/c that’s literally what would happen. More than likely they would do an emergency c-section b/c that’s the fastest way to get the baby out without putting the mother and baby through the stress of hours of hard labor. Maybe under certain circumstances you could induce labor and let the mother labor naturally but I doubt that happens very often. Maybe in the case of the Mother having cancer and them needing to start chemo or something, they could induce labor for a situation like that.
But when we say the life of the mother is in danger that indicates some type of emergency situation which would lead to an emergency c-section aka, emergency delivery. Anyways, I don’t know why more conservatives don’t tap into the phraseology they use when discussing this particular aspect of abortion. We know that words and phrases matter and carry weight and it’s so cringe when they talk about the life of the mother and abortion in the same sentence. 😳🤦🏼♀️ Ok, I’m off my soap box, I know you agree and I’m preaching to the choir. I just get so fired up about it. 🤷🏼♀️😂
This is not a huge win. Could you imagine you have a baby dying inside of you, not being viable, and being required to have it stay in there until it dies? This is not covered by the emergency clause. It just growing and festering, potentially to the point of killing you? Abortion is not a good thing, but sometimes it's necessary. This is way too far. This is just one situation that would be terrible, there are dozens of others. I don't think late term, "for fun" abortions are ok, but this is just too far.
The bill: https://legiscan.com/OK/text/HB4327/2022
It is never necessary. Killing a child, is killing a child. You should look into “terminating the pregnancy”. This does not MURDER the child. It removes the child from the mother’s womb, to protect the mother’s health, and to give the baby a chance inside an incubator. Leaving it up God to take over.
Abortion is murder. Ripping a child to pieces while it’s still alive. Abortion, a tool of sacrifice for the deceiver himself. Learn more on this topic before you look like a child murder supporter please.
What? "Terminating the pregnancy" is abortion, which would also be illegal here. I don't think you read what I said. The baby is dying, you know it is dying, the doctor knows it is dying, the baby might even know it's dying. With this law it's required to stay in there until it does in my scenario. It happens quite a bit.
Once again...learn about “terminating the pregnancy”. Which is not abortion. It removes the child because of health reasons. And places it in incubation. Your looking very ignorant right now. Abortion...is...murder. Always will be.
You can't just place a dying baby in incubation, especially one before 20~22 weeks. It would still die, just more painfully. Alright, you sound really medically inexperienced, so I'll leave you to your beliefs. Hope this doesn't affect someone you know negatively. Good luck.
Also, like... An extremely fringe suggestion. "Imagine having a baby dying in you and it being illegal to remove it"
It wouldn't be illegal. If the baby dies, you would still go through a similar process (probably) but the life of the baby no longer has consideration because it dies.
However, if it's dying, as in not dead yet, it could possibly be extracted for incubation as you state, or other procedures could be utilized in an attempt to save the child.
Further, in another fringe style case where the mother could die during child birth, you usually know these risks very early on. In a situation where things turn for the worse, a surgical extraction in a controlled and sterile environment has the potential to save both lives.
However making exceptions at this point shouldn't be on the table. Curbing this behavior at the root by stopping it is important.
Future exceptions can be made later on. It's clear that they pushed abortion much too far and it became a pillar of their entire political foundation, and it shouldn't have.
People need to ask themselves why they cling so ardently even when the exceptions for the fringe cases they continuously cite are accounted for. It's obvious there is a reason at play. You can look at it as a wedge issue or something darker, but either way it's nefarious.
This! Thank you! It drives me crazy whenever people refer to saving the life of the mother as abortion..even conservatives do this. 🙄🤦🏼♀️ Abortion is the intentional murder of a child no matter what stage of development. Having an emergency delivery to save the life of the mother, and having the baby not make it due to those unfortunate circumstances, is another thing altogether and should never be compared to or called an abortion.
Exactly. And the reason I use that term “terminating the pregnancy” is because that’s what that (former) abortion doctor referred to as a method, but not to be confused with abortion only. He meant it as a way to end the pregnancy, obviously, but in a non lethal way as an abortion. It’s why I was trying to get that poster above to educate himself. Females literally feel they have no options. So not true. Abortion, as that doctor states, should never be an option, period. There are several medical option safer for the mother and child. Society today thinks this is the only way because that’s what they want us to think. It’s sick. And many are brainwashed.
Yup! I always just refer to it as an emergency delivery b/c that’s literally what would happen. More than likely they would do an emergency c-section b/c that’s the fastest way to get the baby out without putting the mother and baby through the stress of hours of hard labor. Maybe under certain circumstances you could induce labor and let the mother labor naturally but I doubt that happens very often. Maybe in the case of the Mother having cancer and them needing to start chemo or something, they could induce labor for a situation like that.
But when we say the life of the mother is in danger that indicates some type of emergency situation which would lead to an emergency c-section aka, emergency delivery. Anyways, I don’t know why more conservatives don’t tap into the phraseology they use when discussing this particular aspect of abortion. We know that words and phrases matter and carry weight and it’s so cringe when they talk about the life of the mother and abortion in the same sentence. 😳🤦🏼♀️ Ok, I’m off my soap box, I know you agree and I’m preaching to the choir. I just get so fired up about it. 🤷🏼♀️😂