You both make excellent points; I agree with you that it's not like technology is just going to go away.
I also agree that society will revert back to a status similar to about 50-60 years ago, and will likely be as much a necessity as seeing the harms from technology.
This could be a lengthy debate; for example cell phones, how could we say with any certainty that we would keep them around when they are effectively social control and tracking systems. Or if they will be kept but modified to be more open.
Technology is but a tool. Tools aren't harmful. The people using the tool can be harmful.
Cell phones aren't "social control and tracking systems", evil people use them as social control and tracking systems. That isn't all they do or all they're good for, nor is it inherently what they are.
It all depends on how a tool is used. If these tools are still being used in evil ways then we haven't done our jobs and rooted out and defeated all the evil. If and when we have done that these tools should stop being used maliciously and can be implemented in a good and useful manner to aid people.
I agree, but that they were built and designed with evil intent, would take a close examination to extricate that type of control systems.
In some cases it might be one where once the control systems are removed that what remains is no longer functional.
As an analogy, there are some video games that would do the copy protection requiring a connection to the server for verification. If you remove that server, then the whole game stops working because the verification system requires it to start. (Yes, it can be cracked to spoof, but the rest would lose that function).
I’d like to point out that a possible outcome is stepping back 10,000 years. I’m not saying it will but if shit goes south too hard then that where we’ll be. Think mirror 4-6% is a horrible outcome. It will be biblical makes me think of revelations and that book is violent with lots of pain and suffering for most of the population. Revelations 16.2
King James Bible
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
New King James Version
So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
New American Standard Bible
So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and a harmful and painful sore afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.
I’ve always thought of the movie the matrix. The architect tells neo that they’ve destroyed them 7 times before. Then look at some of the things that have been found from ancient times here that are hard to explain. I’d argue civilization is more fragile than ever with most peoples knowledge stored outside of their brain ie. Computers…… scary thought that a solar flare big enough could put us into the Stone Age. Things may have been reset before and we’d never know.
I've wondered if that was a metaphor for previous societal collapses.
It's also clear that previous civilizations have had technologies that would be considered advanced for them, or possibly to us.
I've speculated on the concept of a massive time loop, tied into the concept as the earth as a soul prison. That the "prophets" somehow get a peek into other incarnations to try to shift humanity into "passing the test" so to speak. If humanity passes, we can move onto bigger and better without the DS. If we fail then a new loop is restarted.
Anyway, yes, computers and electronics, being heavily specialized and generated in high tech operations. If there's nobody to teach anyone how to build or use techniques, then they are lost until rediscovered.
You both make excellent points; I agree with you that it's not like technology is just going to go away.
I also agree that society will revert back to a status similar to about 50-60 years ago, and will likely be as much a necessity as seeing the harms from technology.
This could be a lengthy debate; for example cell phones, how could we say with any certainty that we would keep them around when they are effectively social control and tracking systems. Or if they will be kept but modified to be more open.
Technology is but a tool. Tools aren't harmful. The people using the tool can be harmful.
Cell phones aren't "social control and tracking systems", evil people use them as social control and tracking systems. That isn't all they do or all they're good for, nor is it inherently what they are.
It all depends on how a tool is used. If these tools are still being used in evil ways then we haven't done our jobs and rooted out and defeated all the evil. If and when we have done that these tools should stop being used maliciously and can be implemented in a good and useful manner to aid people.
I agree, but that they were built and designed with evil intent, would take a close examination to extricate that type of control systems.
In some cases it might be one where once the control systems are removed that what remains is no longer functional.
As an analogy, there are some video games that would do the copy protection requiring a connection to the server for verification. If you remove that server, then the whole game stops working because the verification system requires it to start. (Yes, it can be cracked to spoof, but the rest would lose that function).
I’d like to point out that a possible outcome is stepping back 10,000 years. I’m not saying it will but if shit goes south too hard then that where we’ll be. Think mirror 4-6% is a horrible outcome. It will be biblical makes me think of revelations and that book is violent with lots of pain and suffering for most of the population. Revelations 16.2 King James Bible And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
New King James Version So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
New American Standard Bible So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and a harmful and painful sore afflicted the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.
In that sense, if destruction is that thorough, it wouldn't be a stretch for all advancement to simply be lost.
Really, with only a single generation losing access to knowledge and it is likely gone until it's rediscovered.
I’ve always thought of the movie the matrix. The architect tells neo that they’ve destroyed them 7 times before. Then look at some of the things that have been found from ancient times here that are hard to explain. I’d argue civilization is more fragile than ever with most peoples knowledge stored outside of their brain ie. Computers…… scary thought that a solar flare big enough could put us into the Stone Age. Things may have been reset before and we’d never know.
I've wondered if that was a metaphor for previous societal collapses.
It's also clear that previous civilizations have had technologies that would be considered advanced for them, or possibly to us.
I've speculated on the concept of a massive time loop, tied into the concept as the earth as a soul prison. That the "prophets" somehow get a peek into other incarnations to try to shift humanity into "passing the test" so to speak. If humanity passes, we can move onto bigger and better without the DS. If we fail then a new loop is restarted.
Anyway, yes, computers and electronics, being heavily specialized and generated in high tech operations. If there's nobody to teach anyone how to build or use techniques, then they are lost until rediscovered.
It only gets worse from here. We are here. ^