The first sign of (PCR and seroconversion) global spread is found in the end of November 2019 to about 01 December 2019. This is at least a week before the Huanan market environmental samples or case cluster.
The special permission requirement for case data release is indefinite. It applies to “all data that was originally there, or if any further testing of new cases had a positive result”. All current testing for pre-01/01/2020 samples are asked to be stopped immediately.
All samples that were “current at the laboratories” e.g. taken before 01/01/2020 and 04/01/2020, are asked to be permanently destroyed in two emergency orders sent to the labs in Wuhan. Once again, information about them are asked to be withheld indefinitely unless release being specifically asked for and permitted by the CCP. This effectively gives the CCP an indefinite and retrospective power of cherry-picking on the release of all cases and potential cases that was recorded or sampled before 01/01/2020.
Which they [CCP] abused, leaving Brazil and Italy being the countries with the earliest reported sampling date for SARS-CoV-2 RNA positive (retrospective) samples, both in November. Index case in france by IgG is also inferred to be at or before 04/12/2020, once against before the market or the vendor.
An unfortunate reality: ten times more deaths than reported happened in Wuhan, [China], which even with the worobey et al doubling time
[Referencing a paper with Worobey as main author, possibly this one ],
it means three doubling times or a week and half before the Huanan market cluster. OOOPS!
Translation: the virus was contaminating people well before it reportedly started in the Wuhan Marketplace. (I guess also called the Huanan marketplace). It is mathematically provable as there is not enough time for the virus to physically spread otherwise.
.... More posts in that thread giving evidence that the virus spread earlier...
Hope it helps! @Daoyu15 twitter page is chock with a ton of deep dive research into the origins and makeup of the SARS-Cov-2 virus that you'll be hard pressed to find anywhere else.
The more detailed pattern near the market (remember that only cases on the immediate vicinity of the market were counted if they were not obviously contacted the market or the cases from it closely) is more consistent with a
Gives evidence of Superspreading event on chinese Metro Line at the Hankou Railway Station before reported Huanan Wet Market event
Respiratory virus outbreaks in modern cities will have their centroid of spread located on the largest transportation hub in the city, especially in a city where half of the population commutes using public transport. Even without considering the strong
So viruses like SARS-Cov-2 have big spreading events at the transportation centers of the city like the train station or a bus station.
The lineage v and A genomes, before the market-associated B lineage, is substantially milder than lineage B in term of pathogenesis. They leave behind RNA and IgG in Wuchang—but not symptomology which was
The virus variant before the one that spread in the reported "Wuhan Market" was milder and not as harmful.
@Daoyu15 Replying to @tony_vandongen
Shows chinese hieroglyphic document
"the neighborhood of Huanan market" was used as a criterion for "continued epidemiological surveillance" happening all the way until ~04-05/01/2020.
@tony_vandongen
As @Daoyu15 pointed out, one reason for the clustering of early cases around the Huanan wet market without a direct link to it was that authorities were actively trying to identify cases in that area.
The main cluster of cases within the 1.5km radius was actually just north of the Hankou railway station—cases cluster around metro stations not markets when a spatially resolved map of even just the cases counted within 1.5km of the Huanan market, was used.
It is consistent with Superspreading of a small proportion of the viral diversity in Wuhan in the city’s main transport hub compounded by strong selective bias in early and retrospective case diagnosis, and not with an “origin of spread from the market”.
All samples contained human reads in them, whereas no sample with virus lacked human reads from the data they revealed.
(meaning no virus sample was found that only infected animals and not humans.
it is highly doubtful that ANY original animal infections, if at all, would still be visible at the time of sampling. The initial date of infection happened in [December-9-2019] for the market. Whatever RNA that event left is kept in a highly septic environment in higher than room temperature for more than 22 days before sampling is commenced. By that time, the original virus or animal RNA would have been completely destroyed due to the high room-temperature lability of RNA especially in a septic environment such as the market. All that were left in the environmental RNA samples would have been recently deposited by humans, with a mean date of deposition being close to [December-12-2019].
Sampling— while gDNA survives for years in the environment, vRNA are destroyed within a week in that kind of environment. All virus samples would have been secondary to the human cases by the time of deposition, using whatever methods of transmission (contamination, even spillback from humans into the animals if there are any).
@Daoyu15 - (Relating to Covid-19)
Https://archive.ph/VXtu9
Remember that a single positive human-associated sample before and outside the Huanan market invalidates it.
Https://archive.ph/dmOXT
Https://archive.ph/9znGJ
Https://archive.ph/dsJ15
Https://archive.ph/8thla
Https://archive.ph/CMflB
And we have 3.
I saw this posted earlier; can you explain? I tried to follow but I guess I need it in layman’s
Yeah sorry I just copy-pasted what he said, he doesn't really do a good job of explaining, he's just been documenting.
So definitely the first archived thread he posts is explainable. It's giving a ton of evidence that the virus spread earlier than initially reported
https://archive.ph/VXtu9
https://archive.ph/UIBkB
Shows picture of chinese hieroglyphic document
[Referencing a paper with Worobey as main author, possibly this one ],
Translation: the virus was contaminating people well before it reportedly started in the Wuhan Marketplace. (I guess also called the Huanan marketplace). It is mathematically provable as there is not enough time for the virus to physically spread otherwise.
.... More posts in that thread giving evidence that the virus spread earlier...
Thank you!
Hope it helps! @Daoyu15 twitter page is chock with a ton of deep dive research into the origins and makeup of the SARS-Cov-2 virus that you'll be hard pressed to find anywhere else.
Second link: https://archive.ph/dmOXT
Gives evidence of Superspreading event on chinese Metro Line at the Hankou Railway Station before reported Huanan Wet Market event
So viruses like SARS-Cov-2 have big spreading events at the transportation centers of the city like the train station or a bus station.
The virus variant before the one that spread in the reported "Wuhan Market" was milder and not as harmful.
@Daoyu15 Replying to @tony_vandongen
Shows chinese hieroglyphic document
"the neighborhood of Huanan market" was used as a criterion for "continued epidemiological surveillance" happening all the way until ~04-05/01/2020.
@tony_vandongen
https://archive.md/uFlxC
Third Link: https://archive.ph/9znGJ
(meaning no virus sample was found that only infected animals and not humans.