So, for many years, despite being totally red pilled on pizza gate and a million other things, I still thought the chemtrails theory was suspect (like flat earth is suspect). I felt that the explanation was reasonable that at certain altitudes, temperatures, and humidity levels, contrails could linger for extended periods of time. But, about 3 months ago, instead of a few lingering contrails here and there, it's ramped up to dozens of them almost every single day. After these days, the evening and overnight winds are insane. We've had insane winds most days for MONTHS. Never experienced anything like it in my life, completely ridiculous to pretend it's a natural weather pattern for the region I live in.
So, coinciding with the dramatically increased and regular "lingering contrails", I thought to myself 'I guess I should look into this chemtrail thing a bit.' So, I watched the documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying?" and they presented evidence about astronomically high levels of aluminum in the soil in places where they do this spraying, which causes the PH of the soil to come way up, so I decided to test the soil in my own back yard. Predictably, its PH is WAY high at 7.9. At 7 a lot of plants can't survive have trouble.
Anyway, I'm now thoroughly convinced they're spraying something for some reason, and obviously not a good one. So, I've been paying more attention to what days they spray, and if I could spot a pattern. I've logged in to flight trackers to try and figure out which planes, and I've searched on the internet trying to find others who have already spent years trying to spot the patterns of these flights... But I couldn't find much. There are several websites with a LOT of surface information, but apparently no one has simply logged the days, amount of passes across their airspace, the flight numbers and callsigns (or lack thereof) of the aircraft, and compared these datasets to possible explanations. If any of you know of a place where such data is compiled or presented, I'd love to see it.
Now then, I've hit upon one data point in a possible pattern: after months of total sky covering spraying almost every day, there was no spraying at all across the entire Memorial Day weekend. There are plenty of standard passenger flights across this weekend, the sky was full of planes like it is any other day- but no lingering contrails. Not a single one. Do we ever see lingering contrails spreading across the sky on federal holidays? If not, that's quite a damning coincidence. If we could demonstrate a pattern like that, we could easily shut down the "lingering contrail due to common atmospheric conditions" argument- does the weather take federal holidays off?
Probably because it costs way more than that to charter a trip high enough to get footage of the undeniable globe. If one of these flat-earther's want to fund a space flight to get the proof, then i'll take them seriously.
The curve is 8 inches per mile squared. Do the math. Its incredibly basic. Its simple. You obviously have only looked into the first 20 items on your Google search. Also, they've been denied even with the money to fly, so there is that. Still at the propaganda phase, I see. I'm sorry. My sincere question is why would you ever believe anything KNOWN criminals have told you? Hmm? I'll wait..
You already know this (just backing you up). You've focused on the fundamental foundational question. Have you noticed that when discussing / debating the shape of the earth the other side seems to focus on everything (endless word salads) except the actual shape of the earth? There is a reason for that.
Every single earth curve calculator on the web will return essentially the same results within an insignificant margin of error. This one is my favorite ...
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial
... because it provides the source code (from MIT) here:
https://github.com/dizzib/earthcalc
There is no way all of the earth curve calculation sites could get away with falsifying a formula to dramatically reduce hidden target heights because it would be too easy for mathematicians to call them out. The propaganda is so pervasive they know they don't have to. Censorship and mocking of strawman arguments take care of things quite effectively for them.
Extremely high optical zoom cameras have obliterated the globe earth (too late to claim a radius of over a hundred thousand miles) and it's not even close. Cognitive dissonance takes over. The pleasurable dopamine hit to the brain for having a superior intellect plays a role too.
Globe earth is the holy grail and the Cabal knows it. Flat earth must not be allowed to be true because if it were they wouldn't be able to get away with anything else (no Great Reset, no vax mandates, no more censorship, nothing).
Hoping my special friend is going to soon buy a P1000. Time to get to work. Lol. I agree, it does not matter what you tell them or show them, they are so incredibly indoctrinated. Jeez. I just quit with him. He probably thinks he won, little does he know, I don't really give a fuck if he sees it or not. I see it. That's what counts. God gave us all the ability to think for ourselves, the system does a fine job of destroying it.
Hi Fren. Letting you know about the reply to "escapefromearth" GAW member I just posted in this thread (it's a bit wordy but I hope impactful). IMO he or she hasn't been smug like your special friend so I thought I would give it a shot. I know he or she may see this too, but that's okay - not trying to hide anything.
I have an sincere request (not being snarky at all). Please visualize this related list of items.
Imagine standing about a football field length away from the Sears tower (I'm older - I still call it the Sears tower) in Chicago and tilting your head to look at the top. Now imagine how incredibly tall it would look with 10 Sears towers stacked on top of each other. Asking to really let that sink in.
According to a Google search you can't begin to visually detect the curve of the earth until you reach 35,000 (I've seen estimates as high as 100,000 feet, but I'm going with 35,000 because it is actually less favorable to my argument). At 35,000 feet the visible horizon ends at 229 miles.
Now imagine standing on a beach with a straight and long coastline (at least 229 miles). Assuming an eye height of 6 feet (that's taller than average, but I'm trying to be conservative with my argument). An object 229 miles away would have to be taller than 23 stacked Sears towers before you could begin to see any of it.
With a globe earth there is no honest debate against any of these statistics (oblate spheroid can't possibly have a material impact - remember the Big Blue Marble is a real photograph where no "oblateness" can be detected).
Your side is asking me to believe that the earth's curve CAN'T EVEN BEGIN to be visually detected until a height of at least 35,000 feet is reached. However, at that height's horizon an object would have to be over 34,000 feet high before someone with an eye height of 6 feet could even begin to see the top of it just starting to peek over the curve obstructing its view. Being straight with you I think that's ridiculous.
Extremely high optical zoom cameras like the Nikon P900 & P1000 have demonstrated impossibly visible hidden targets across a body of water over and over again (it's not even close to possible on the globe). Big tech does its best to censor these but they can be found. It's no coincidence that big tech does not censor, but instead their algorithms make it very easy to find the "Flat Earth Meetup People" or "Flat Earth Bongo Drum Beating / Spirit Bead Wearing Nuts".
All that stats I quoted can be confirmed here ...
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=229&h0=6&unit=imperial
... with source code (from MIT) shown here:
https://github.com/dizzib/earthcalc
This is why anyone trying to convert a "flat earther" back to globe earth is unlikely to ever have any success with "look over here" arguments quoting all kinds of impressive scientific sounding words. They may have success convincing fence sitters to stay on the fence or move to the globe. The only way to have any chance of changing the mind of a grounded flat earther is to beyond any doubt disprove the impossible visually confirmed "hidden targets" that have been demonstrated over and over again. Flat Earth debunkers IMO tend to stay away from that for good reason because I suspect they know it can't honestly be done.