So, for many years, despite being totally red pilled on pizza gate and a million other things, I still thought the chemtrails theory was suspect (like flat earth is suspect). I felt that the explanation was reasonable that at certain altitudes, temperatures, and humidity levels, contrails could linger for extended periods of time. But, about 3 months ago, instead of a few lingering contrails here and there, it's ramped up to dozens of them almost every single day. After these days, the evening and overnight winds are insane. We've had insane winds most days for MONTHS. Never experienced anything like it in my life, completely ridiculous to pretend it's a natural weather pattern for the region I live in.
So, coinciding with the dramatically increased and regular "lingering contrails", I thought to myself 'I guess I should look into this chemtrail thing a bit.' So, I watched the documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying?" and they presented evidence about astronomically high levels of aluminum in the soil in places where they do this spraying, which causes the PH of the soil to come way up, so I decided to test the soil in my own back yard. Predictably, its PH is WAY high at 7.9. At 7 a lot of plants can't survive have trouble.
Anyway, I'm now thoroughly convinced they're spraying something for some reason, and obviously not a good one. So, I've been paying more attention to what days they spray, and if I could spot a pattern. I've logged in to flight trackers to try and figure out which planes, and I've searched on the internet trying to find others who have already spent years trying to spot the patterns of these flights... But I couldn't find much. There are several websites with a LOT of surface information, but apparently no one has simply logged the days, amount of passes across their airspace, the flight numbers and callsigns (or lack thereof) of the aircraft, and compared these datasets to possible explanations. If any of you know of a place where such data is compiled or presented, I'd love to see it.
Now then, I've hit upon one data point in a possible pattern: after months of total sky covering spraying almost every day, there was no spraying at all across the entire Memorial Day weekend. There are plenty of standard passenger flights across this weekend, the sky was full of planes like it is any other day- but no lingering contrails. Not a single one. Do we ever see lingering contrails spreading across the sky on federal holidays? If not, that's quite a damning coincidence. If we could demonstrate a pattern like that, we could easily shut down the "lingering contrail due to common atmospheric conditions" argument- does the weather take federal holidays off?
No, you have to prove that the proof presented is false, you dildo. The chemtrail alarmists have already fulfilled their burden of proof.
I name nothing because you are a shill unworthy of earnest discussion. You go find the evidence for yourself, find the best evidence you can that you are wrong, and disprove it, then we can talk on equal footing. Until then, your appeal to your own authority is a joke.
You have provided NOTHING. Your "fact" that aluminum is present naturally in many forms is GASLIGHTING. Yeah, aluminum is everywhere- bound up in more complex molecules. Free aluminum has never been in the rain in the history of the planet, at least in any more than unmeasurably small amounts. Same for the soil. That's something you would find out with a few seconds of research. And notice, AGAIN, that you simply CAN NOT answer to what I actually said, you MUST make up something I DIDN'T say to argue against.
The evidence it comes from spraying comes from atmospheric sampling by aircraft flying through the supposed chemtrails themselves.
My paranoid fantasy is already proven, with the scientific method, it is up to you to demonstrate that the proof is flawed. And simply saying so repeatedly is laughably insufficient. You are a complete LOSER for arguing with me with such dishonesty instead of going and confronting the proof for yourself. You do your credentials enormous insult by acting this way.
What proof? All you do is assert. You provide no details. When you allude to any specifics (aluminum in soil) you demonstrate ignorance of the fact that the specific is a commonplace. There is no "free aluminum." The nature of its chemistry is that it will immediately oxidize on exposure to air or water. (Put naked aluminum in water and it will react exothermically.) Plenty of alumninosilicate compounds, however.
What aircraft sampling? What you are claiming would be against air safety requirements. How about flight plans and aircraft tail numbers? Or would that be too incriminating? (Getting that close to another airplane is an inherently dangerous maneuver...said the expert that worked on the KC-46 tanker.) And how would you know you are sampling a spray and not engine exhaust? How would you know there was even a spray? I've seen the hoax photos of a "chemtrail-equipped airliner," which was really a developmental model equipped with a water ballast management system for center-of-gravity location studies. You see, I worked in this industry. There is nothing like that going on.
All this talk and you still haven't explained why (or if) there is a visual difference between contrails and "chemtrails." Reference to persistence is useless, in that contrails can persist not at all or can extend from horizon to horizon for a long time, slowly diffusing. I've seen them. Prove I haven't.
There are legitimate and open cloud-seeding programs in states like California, Nevada, and Colorado. The seeding areas are delimited and the program schedules are available. The aircraft are not airliners. I assume you are not talking about this non-secret activity. There are also emergency situations where civil or military aircraft must dump fuel for safety purposes prior to an emergency landing. I assume you are not talking about these events either (are you aware of them?). And, of course, there is extinguishant dumping in the fighting of forest fires. I assume you are not talking about that.
And, most interesting to me, you are not talking about the visibly evident and copious chemtrails inherent in launch vehicles using large solid boosters. Plenty of aluminum oxide and hydrochloric acid produced by these boosters...but you don't concern yourself. I wonder why. Could it be that such a cause would not further your paranoid fantasy? But why not? It is all government-supported. NASA has a big hand in it. It should ring the right bells. Nope. The real chemtrails are not for you.
I'm not the source of the proof, and I do not respect your intellectual honesty enough to provide you what I believe is proof. You need to stop being a baby and go find it yourself.
No, I don't. When you respond to those claims, you distort them into something that wasn't said in order to make me wrong. You are a dishonest person.
You are an idiot. Aluminosilicates are how aluminum is normally found in nature. Aluminum oxide is NOT.
You can figure that out for yourself if you go actually look.
And yet they managed to get it done. The explanation of how is very obvious, you'll see, if you go look for yourself instead of being a moron.
Good luck getting a tail number off an unmarked plane at 35,000 feet, which doesn't show up on public flight trackers.
Why would they need to get anywhere near a plane with a contrail lingering hundreds of miles behind it?
You're a moron, lol. You know that the scientific field of chemistry exists, right?
Irrelevant. That some people got something wrong somewhere does not affect the real proof at all.
You're unfortunately incorrect.
You have not asked me to explain that, and if you had I'd tell you it's irrelevant. They can look identical, it doesn't matter. The proof has nothing to do with how they look, it is their composition.
I already said earlier that I believe that contrails CAN linger for a long time, and spread. But, the outrageous increase I saw where I live in such contrails was simply ridiculous to behold, and so clearly not natural I had no option but to reassess whether chemtrail spraying was a real thing. I looked into it, and found the proof that the various researchers had compiled was solid.
Correct, this is obviously not cloud seeding, and the planes doing it are untracked (which is illegal for civilian planes).
So, you're saying they filled the entire sky from horizon to horizon, almost every day for three months, with emergency fuel dumps? So like, several thousand emergency landings happening over my head? Oh, but some of it may be forest fires being put out, all zero of them this season. So, we've got hundreds and hundreds of phantom emergency landings and phantom forest fires being put out. That explains it!
Oh, well now THAT explains it, these conventional winged aircraft we see in the sky leaving dozens of lingering contrails that blanket the entire sky every day are actually solid booster space launch vehicles! In disguise! It all makes sense now.
Oh yes, a few rocket launches here and there are totally the cause of total sky enveloping contrails across basically the entire nation, totally the cause of increased aluminum in the air, rain, and soil. Not the dozens of unmarked, untracked aircraft we can see with our own eyes literally spraying stuff into the air every day.
I hope you realize how dumb you sound, but I suspect you won't.
You have to climb up your fantasy ladder to look down on me.
Aluminum oxide is not "free aluminum", which is the elemental metal. And it is found in nature as corundum. You know nothing about chemistry or minerals.
An increase in contrails signifies either an increase of traffic or a change in high-altitude relative humidity. You have no basis for saying something is unnatural when it can match natural changes in air conditions. So, you are saying there is no visible difference----except there is a visible difference? We are supposed to deduce a sinister plot from the increase in contrails? (I think you mentioned that the winds had also picked up. Post hoc ergo propter hoc?)
As for composition, you are aware that contrails are mainly ice crystals? And that ice crystals form around dust particles? Which are generally present in the ambient air? (Did they sample ordinary contrails? Did they sample undisturbed air? A control sample is usually required to validate any unusual composition.) At least now you are bringing up details. As for the rest, I was merely trying to catalogue all the aerial spraying that you are NOT complaining about. Of course I didn't say that anyone was dumping fuel across the sky---you are just lying about what I did say. And I had some basis for thinking that some of that might have been going on for aircraft approaching the international airport under whose approach corridor I live---strong smells of jet fuel---but that cleared up decades ago.
But you can't be too serious about this, or you would have been upset over decades of frequent space launch rocket chemtrails. Your favorite contaminant, aluminum oxide, is present in abundance. Also hydrochloric acid, not a good actor by any means. (There was once lively consideration of liquid fluorine as oxidizer, with associated nasty combustion products.) I suspect you really didn't know about it and are now caught unawares, so you pooh-pooh it in order to save face.
I look down on you because you argue like a liar, I need climb nothing to do that.
Corundum is a crystal made of aluminum oxide, it is not all aluminum oxide, and it is not remotely as common as aluminosilicate. Aluminum does not instantaneously rust into aluminum oxide, it requires time, pressure, and temperature. Much of the aluminum sprayed into the atmosphere likely does not immediately oxidize. However, aluminum oxide is toxic to life, so even if 100% of it rusted immediately, that is the worst case scenario.
Lol, neither do you. But, just like the photos of the ballast airplane, any mistakes I make or ignorance on my part is irrelevant. The truth is still the truth.
To 20-40 times normal levels? Which has never happened before? Cycling on and off on random days? With no accompanying humidity changes on the ground? No, you're retarded.
Your reading comprehension is atrocious. I am starting to believe that even your claimed credentials are likely false based on your inability to comprehend simple statements, which should indicate an absolute inability to comprehend complex subjects like aeronautics. No, I said that I was forced to reassess my dismissal of chemtrails based upon the preposterous order and a half plus magnitude increase in lingering chemtrails, and then was convinced by the preponderance of evidence upon looking into it with a newly open mind. Your constant, pathological need to replace what I say with delusions is truly incredible. I hope you're a shill, at least then you're this pathetic on purpose.
Normal contrails, yes. Aluminum nanoparticles in the atmosphere certainly should also attract ice crystals.
Yes, they did, they're not morons like yourself.
Why would I complain about extremely rare events? Honestly, what possessed you to think that was a smart argument?
Lol, no you just made a retarded argument and I made fun of it. Nice try blaming me for how you are behaving though, loser.
First of all, I've only realized this was happening a few months ago, how am I to go back in time to be upset about things? Second, nothing stopping me from realizing new information to be mad about. But, rocket launches probably don't amount to even a millionth of the apparent spraying happening. Certainly, in local areas where such launches took place, it may be a concern. But, they aren't blanketing the sky above my home, normal airplanes are.
I didn't specifically know that solid rocket boosters exhausted those contaminants, no, though I did know vaguely that historically rockets are dirty, toxic things, and that's part of the reason they are launched out in the middle of nowhere (in addition to the noise). This information is completely unsurprising and causes me no embarrassment to not have known already. And, of course, again, there are not rockets blasting across the sky filling it with a silver haze. There are conventional jet aircraft doing that.
I'll tell you what though, any more information you have about additional sources of aluminum being sprayed into the atmosphere, you should let the community know. I may be wrong about the relative amounts, after all. You should do some math- go find the atmospheric aluminum concentrations that the chemtrail researchers have gathered, then make some estimates of how much of it is due to rocketry. Maybe you'll turn the whole argument on its head. Or, you might realize there's way too much fucking aluminum in the air... So I guess it's not worth the risk, you'd better keep your head up your ass where it's safe.