Well, lets be honest. There's not many Patrick Baboumians walking around in comparison to the strung out wojecks.

However, theres one thing that the keto/carnivore crowd and the vegetarian/vegan crowd have in common:

WE BOTH HATE THE FDA

Clicking on All Athletes on that website is all the proof I need to never go vegan. Look how skinny some of those vegans are. The ones that are big like Patrik Baboumian haven't been vegan like enough to destroy them, or they are taking massive amounts of supplements, b12 shots, and steroids.

Some vegans do fine on vegan for many years, most long term vegans have serious issues. Why do so many women who go vegan lose their periods? Why are infants who are force fed vegan diets become malnourished. Some have died, parents have been arrested of this many times.

IF you feed an infant grass fed beef liver, and other animal high quality animal foods VS feeding an infant a vegan diet. The animal products infant will come out stronger, and more nourished 100% of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Vzo3C2vUQ

They are the exception to the rule. But if you want to act like a reductionist faggot and invalidate macro studies by using micro examples then feel free, but do not expect anyone to take you seriously or change their opinion in your favor

Steroids work wonders ... until you stop taking them (or until you die from overdose).